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    Serious question, need opinions

    So one of my friends that keeps a few bps also keeps their pet rats in the same room. One of them recently developed an RI but they aren't entirely sure how since they keep the enclosures very clean and the temps and humidity are spot on.
    They have kept them in the same room for a couple of years without problems until now.

    So my question is do you think the rat bedding caused the RI? I asked them what kind of bedding they use for both the rats and the snakes, they use reptichip for the snakes and pine with a thin layer of cedar beneath the pine shavings.

    They are currently waiting on the results of a culture from the sick snake so I figured I would ask here since we both weren't sure what could have caused the RI.

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    Re: Serious question, need opinions

    Cedar is toxic to reptiles


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    Can you describe the enclosure set up? What is the heating source, how are temperatures measured, what are the temperature and humidity numbers?

    Also both cedar and pine are toxic to snakes so there absolutely should not be any of that in the enclosures! The rule for snakes is no soft woods should be used. Stick with hard woods like cypress and aspen or use coconut husk.

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    Re: Serious question, need opinions

    Quote Originally Posted by Luvyna View Post
    Can you describe the enclosure set up? What is the heating source, how are temperatures measured, what are the temperature and humidity numbers?

    Also both cedar and pine are toxic to snakes so there absolutely should not be any of that in the enclosures! The rule for snakes is no soft woods should be used. Stick with hard woods like cypress and aspen or use coconut husk.
    I believe the snakes are in a VE rack system with flexwatt for belly heat, they use a herpstat to regulate the flexwatt. They keep it set for the hot spot to be 90F and the cool side is 82F, humidity is 60% and they're kept on coconut husk. No wood shavings are inside the snake tubs

    My question was if the smell from the rats bedding could have caused an RI, they are on pine and cedar

    EDIT: I just re read my original post and noticed I didn't specify that the Rats are on cedar and pine, the Snakes are on Reptichip


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    No, I don't think the rat's bedding caused the snake's infection, but the rats themselves are not germ-free, nor are WE humans. Most pathogens favor certain species, but not all- there are plenty of zoonotic diseases around.

    The rats should NEVER be kept on cedar shavings, EVER, as it irritates their lungs & causes health problems for them. Pine shavings are okay, in my experience, but if you have a brand or version with more volatile oils, that too can cause problems, but mainly it's cedar (& things like eucalyptus- but I know of no shavings sold made from eucalyptus trees).
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