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    Re: Kingsnake has an RI :/

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    ^also worth mentioning I heard "pops" as she breathed on the day I took her out.

    So this is strange, I opened her mouth and as far as I can tell it looks pretty normal? I haven't seen a lot of snake mouths, but to me there isn't any excess saliva. I'm also not hearing any popping noises. Was this a false alarm then?
    Possibly.

    If temps are dialed in and humidity good, you can always check tomorrow morning. If things are still good and she eats (when is she due to eat) it could have been a false alarm or some stuck shed/substrate.

    Keep a close eye on it though because if it is an RI, it likely, will only get worse.

    Good luck and keep us posted.

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    Alright, I did just hear one "huff" from her, so I think it's better safe than sorry if I still ask for an appointment. Just checking, can the tracheal wash also identify if there even is bacteria present? What else would a vet do to determine an RI?
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    I still haven't been able to contact my first choice vet but I did get in touch with the second one. I asked about their experience with doing tracheal washes and I got a fairly vague response from the receptionist about how their vets are avian specialists but are able and experienced with treating snakes. I don't think she knew enough about the actual treatments to give me a more a more specific answer. Apparently they are also booked into December so the only way I would be able to get an appointment there is through the emergency room where she said a general er physician would see us first and then they could call in a more specialized vet if needed. I'm a little hesitant, does this sound like a good option to pursue or should I keep trying to get an appointment with my first choice?

    As for the snake, in her enclosure she seems normal and active. When I take her out to check on her she also acts as she usually does. I've opened her mouth again and as far as I can tell there's still no excess saliva, although maybe I should try to upload a picture here in case I'm missing something. Her breathing has been silent up until today when I heard some soft popping noises. I'm planning to feed her tomorrow so I'll see if she refuses or not.
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    Re: Kingsnake has an RI :/

    Quote Originally Posted by aurum View Post
    I still haven't been able to contact my first choice vet but I did get in touch with the second one. I asked about their experience with doing tracheal washes and I got a fairly vague response from the receptionist about how their vets are avian specialists but are able and experienced with treating snakes. I don't think she knew enough about the actual treatments to give me a more a more specific answer. Apparently they are also booked into December so the only way I would be able to get an appointment there is through the emergency room where she said a general er physician would see us first and then they could call in a more specialized vet if needed. I'm a little hesitant, does this sound like a good option to pursue or should I keep trying to get an appointment with my first choice?

    As for the snake, in her enclosure she seems normal and active. When I take her out to check on her she also acts as she usually does. I've opened her mouth again and as far as I can tell there's still no excess saliva, although maybe I should try to upload a picture here in case I'm missing something. Her breathing has been silent up until today when I heard some soft popping noises. I'm planning to feed her tomorrow so I'll see if she refuses or not.
    I'm not seeing your snake to know for sure if she really has an RI, but since the symptoms are so slight, it's certainly NOT an emergency, & I'd keep trying for your regular vet, if anything, for now.

    Some snakes also make some little popping noises when a tiny bit of previously-shed skin remains in their nostrils. (FYI, snakes normally shed the skin in the outer part of their nostrils- & with some snakes, it just gets stuck.) I have a feeling yours is something like this, & she's not actually sick. I'm curious to see if she eats tomorrow...I hope so. King snakes are not prone to RI's the way BPs are, perhaps because they don't need the higher temps. that are harder for owners to maintain? And kings (in fact, most colubrids) are just more "forgiving" about humidity too.
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    Re: Kingsnake has an RI :/

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogertophis View Post
    I'm not seeing your snake to know for sure if she really has an RI, but since the symptoms are so slight, it's certainly NOT an emergency, & I'd keep trying for your regular vet, if anything, for now.

    Some snakes also make some little popping noises when a tiny bit of previously-shed skin remains in their nostrils. (FYI, snakes normally shed the skin in the outer part of their nostrils- & with some snakes, it just gets stuck.) I have a feeling yours is something like this, & she's not actually sick. I'm curious to see if she eats tomorrow...I hope so. King snakes are not prone to RI's the way BPs are, perhaps because they don't need the higher temps. that are harder for owners to maintain? And kings (in fact, most colubrids) are just more "forgiving" about humidity too.
    As usual, she was very enthusiastic about feeding today and ate her hopper no problem. Based on what you've said and how normal she looks I might hold off on the vet for now and just continue monitoring her. I'm really confused about the saliva I saw though, if she is actually healthy what are the explanations for that?
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    Re: Kingsnake has an RI :/

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    As usual, she was very enthusiastic about feeding today and ate her hopper no problem. Based on what you've said and how normal she looks I might hold off on the vet for now and just continue monitoring her. I'm really confused about the saliva I saw though, if she is actually healthy what are the explanations for that?
    Glad to hear it. I'd personally just monitor her for now & try not to worry. I'm actually glad you couldn't reach your vet.

    Confusing, I know, but you aren't the first to experience this. Sometimes it has to do with them just drinking water, but even if it was truly excessive saliva, well think about it, don't we all sometimes salivate more than needed, like when we're hungry? (I know I do, just ask my dentist! LOL) So if that's combined with a drink of water & then being interrupted by you causing some nervous bubble-blowing, well I think that's a possible explanation. I applaud you for wanting to do the best for your snake, but unnecessary medical care is not without risks- you want to be sure you really need it. Like I said, a bit of old shed inside the nostril is also a real & fairly common cause of noisy breathing in snakes. We all have to be "detectives" when it comes to the health of our silent snakes.

    You're a good snarent, btw.
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    Fortunately, I think this will be the final update for this thread. She's eaten well a couple more times, her mouth is still looking good, and I'm not sure how relevant this is but she also just had a successful shed. Thanks so much for all the advice, I would've felt a good bit more lost without it. Very relieved that she seems to be healthy after all!
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    HAPPY DANCE!!!

    You cared enough to pay attention & ask the right questions- very happy it was a false alarm.
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