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BCC Temperament - by Country
There was a recent Brian Boas video that discussed how the BCCs were usually more difficult and temperamental than the typically chill BCIs. I know there's variability to each snake and incorrect husbandry plays a huge factor, but has anyone noticed any differences in temperament within the BCCs by country? For instance, are Peruvian BCCs known to be any different in attitude than BCCs from Surinam, Guyana, Brazil, etc.?
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Re: BCC Temperament - by Country
Can’t speak for other locality BC but my Pokigron Surinam male hasn’t so much as postured for a strike on me and I’ve maybe heard him hiss once or twice in the two years I’ve had him. Cool as a cucumber that one is.
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Re: BCC Temperament - by Country
Originally Posted by Nick_MD
There was a recent Brian Boas video that discussed how the BCCs were usually more difficult and temperamental than the typically chill BCIs. I know there's variability to each snake and incorrect husbandry plays a huge factor, but has anyone noticed any differences in temperament within the BCCs by country? For instance, are Peruvian BCCs known to be any different in attitude than BCCs from Surinam, Guyana, Brazil, etc.?
the 'more difficult' thing was usually referenced earlier in keeping, like 80s,90s because most were wild caught. They may be a bit hissier as babies, same as hog isle and central american BI (they also have this reputation) but for boas in general, it's more of an individual thing and not locality based. As far as noticeable temperamental differences between specific Bc localities? no, never heard about anything like that. I only had a guyuana for a short time (rescue, was too far gone by time I got, vet and I did all we could) but kept up on forums with BC breeders and nothing like that was ever mentioned or noticed. My experience is from the late 90s to present.
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Re: BCC Temperament - by Country
My 3 Yr old Guyana is stupidly sweet, I always open the glass and stroke him, always on the watch out too, never hissed at me
crazy feeding response like most boas
My 1yr old South Brazilian bca's are really chilled too, not hissed either
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Re: BCC Temperament - by Country
I tend to agree that a lot has to do with breeding, how much the breeder handles/works with the snake, and individual animal temperament.
I have two BI's from a breeder who is small and works with his animals and knows their temperaments inside and out. Both are docile as can be.
I also have a dwarf Venezuelan BC from Tommy Carpenter, of TC reptiles, and loves these guys because they are so docile. Feliz was no exception and he was a holdback and Tommy had spent time with him. He had two holdbacks in 2018 (from his 2017 litter) and I talked him into selling me Feliz.
I would tell you that babies can be nippy and scared, but Boas tend to grow out of that pretty quick and know their size when they get bigger. Since snakes bite out of fear or hunger, a snake that knows you really cannot hurt it is generally a docile snake. Boas fit that bill and most are puppy dogs at size and even much before they reach adulthood.
My recommendation is to speak with different breeders of locale boas, like Tommy, and feel them out. See what adults they have of certain locales that are particularly calm and ask about the offspring. In general how they are and specifically if they have any animals that stand out as both good eaters and docile.
Remember, a healthy boa has a voracious food response, and I recommend hook training all boas. However, once out (and hook trained) boas tend to be incredibly calm and docile while also being inquisitive.
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This is great information, thanks everyone! I have my eye on a BCA, but failing that, I'll probably end up with a BCC and wanted to make sure I knew what I was getting into with a snake I hope to handle without issues. I'm totally fine with the baby/small snake attitude as long as they can be worked with as they grow. My hissy little Tarahumara has me growing accustomed to the small snake bluff.
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Re: BCC Temperament - by Country
Originally Posted by Nick_MD
There was a recent Brian Boas video that discussed how the BCCs were usually more difficult and temperamental than the typically chill BCIs. I know there's variability to each snake and incorrect husbandry plays a huge factor, but has anyone noticed any differences in temperament within the BCCs by country? For instance, are Peruvian BCCs known to be any different in attitude than BCCs from Surinam, Guyana, Brazil, etc.?
Hmmm...the most 'difficult' boa I've ever had was a BCI. I can't help with any first hand experience on the differences between BCC from other locations but I've spent some time with Suriname boas.
All 45ish Suriname boas produced here put on a pretty good show when they are babies (hiss/posture/tail wag/writhe) its damn cute really. They often hiss at their prey before striking (not defensively striking either). One of the babies I held on to this year already lifts his head out of the tub and comes towards movement looking for food and he's only eaten 4 times. His two sisters are drama queens but it will go away pretty fast with them too. Nothing difficult about it for sure..
Neither of my adult Suriname boas have ever struck at me defensively (one is going on 15yo) -they both have tried to eat me during feeding time though. I have a couple of two year olds...neither put on a show.
One thing about Suriname BCC I've noticed is that they never seem quite as at ease when being handled as other boas. They don't do anything surprising but their muscles are just a little more taught like they are 'ready' for something.
If the difficult part related to husbandry, I would say most BCI would benefit from being kept like BCC. BCI are just a little more tolerant of C+ husbandry and C+ husbandry used to be the norm...
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BCC Temperament - by Country
My 6ft Guyana is super sweet. Also have a another female Guyana that’s 5ft and she’s sweet too.I had a 6.5 male Suriname that was wild caught. He was a total different story. He calmed
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Re: BCC Temperament - by Country
Originally Posted by dakski
I tend to agree that a lot has to do with breeding, how much the breeder handles/works with the snake, and individual animal temperament.
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The only thing I can agree with here (to some degree) is 'an animal's individual temperament'.
I don't handle/work with any of the snakes in my care. Most get picked up a few times a year. Baby Suriname boas go from open mouth hissing, striking and tail writhing just from pulling out their tote to coming to the opening looking for food within a couple of months. This happens with as little handling as possible.
Even when the babies soil their enclosure I reach in, pick them up, put them in a fresh tote that was made ready before-hand and slide the drawer back in the spot. One of the babies I have right now would hiss if a shadow crossed his opaque tub for the first month. For this little guy, I didn't 'work with him', I gave him his space and left him alone...no photos or anything. He is just like his sibs now...calm and looks at moving objects as potential food.
I've picked up 25 wild bull snakes in just one weekend...not one offered to bite. Most calm down within seconds of gentle handling and remain calm while I take their temperature/weigh/measure them. I have never restrained one and I have done this for years with them. I only recall one bull that made a real earnest effort to bite me and even that one calmed down without being restrained. No-one has been working with those wild bulls. I used bulls as an example because they have a reputation (from where I don't know because I haven't seen it).
There was a time when I thought handling would affect boa's temperament but the proven reality is that it isn't needed and it can cause real problems. I think some keepers struggle with young snakes (especially Suriname/Guyana types) because they can't keep their hands off of them...leave them alone until they gain confidence over the time they need. Of the 45ish baby Suriname boas born here (or the adults) none have ever regurgitated or been a problem to get eating. All of them have become calm within a few months and none of them were handled in an effort to force some desired behavior.
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Re: BCC Temperament - by Country
Originally Posted by bns
The only thing I can agree with here (to some degree) is 'an animal's individual temperament'.
I don't handle/work with any of the snakes in my care. Most get picked up a few times a year. Baby Suriname boas go from open mouth hissing, striking and tail writhing just from pulling out their tote to coming to the opening looking for food within a couple of months. This happens with as little handling as possible.
Even when the babies soil their enclosure I reach in, pick them up, put them in a fresh tote that was made ready before-hand and slide the drawer back in the spot. One of the babies I have right now would hiss if a shadow crossed his opaque tub for the first month. For this little guy, I didn't 'work with him', I gave him his space and left him alone...no photos or anything. He is just like his sibs now...calm and looks at moving objects as potential food.
I've picked up 25 wild bull snakes in just one weekend...not one offered to bite. Most calm down within seconds of gentle handling and remain calm while I take their temperature/weigh/measure them. I have never restrained one and I have done this for years with them. I only recall one bull that made a real earnest effort to bite me and even that one calmed down without being restrained. No-one has been working with those wild bulls. I used bulls as an example because they have a reputation (from where I don't know because I haven't seen it).
There was a time when I thought handling would affect boa's temperament but the proven reality is that it isn't needed and it can cause real problems. I think some keepers struggle with young snakes (especially Suriname/Guyana types) because they can't keep their hands off of them...leave them alone until they gain confidence over the time they need. Of the 45ish baby Suriname boas born here (or the adults) none have ever regurgitated or been a problem to get eating. All of them have become calm within a few months and none of them were handled in an effort to force some desired behavior.
BNS, knowing you have more experience with boas here, I'll defer to you.
I've found that I prefer breeders who know their animals and can tell me if one animal in particular is less defensive than another, a better eater, etc. This goes for all reptiles, not just boas.
As you say, the above may matter little long-term in terms of temperament with BC's, but it tends to make me more confident with the breeder; that they pay attention and know their animals.
Either way, thank you for the post. I always appreciate your insight.
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