Coastal Jag Morph

[YungRasputin]

is it true that this morph carries with it inherent neurological issues? i am absolutely obsessed with this morph but at the same time, for ethical reasons, i am v much against breeding weak genes - wanted to confirm this

[jmcrook]

correct

[Gio]

correct

Yes,

Correct.

Nick Mutton discusses the issue during a podcast and there are other well known Morelia breeders that cover the topic.

I don't have the time to dig for the links but it is a known issue.

Some breeders even question the ethics of working with the gene.

"Correct" is the answer to the question.

Just curious,

You mentioned you were only interested in breeding and producing wild type animals.

Why the sudden obsession with a morph gene producing known issues?

[YungRasputin]

Yes,

Correct.

Nick Mutton discusses the issue during a podcast and there are other well known Morelia breeders that cover the topic.

I don't have the time to dig for the links but it is a known issue.

Some breeders even question the ethics of working with the gene.

"Correct" is the answer to the question.

Just curious,

You mentioned you were only interested in breeding and producing wild type animals.

Why the sudden obsession with a morph gene producing known issues?

well tbh i was rather hoping i was wrong or that the sources i saw which said this were wrong - i have eased up a little on my anti-morph positions thanks to my dwarf Burms being variations of albino - i feel comfortable with a rare but ultimately natural/wild morphs (albinos) - the jaguars i’ve been eyeing are both caramel albino *and* jaguar so that’s what peaked my interest because i think they’re super beautiful (most unfortunate about those issues)

[Gio]

well tbh i was rather hoping i was wrong or that the sources i saw which said this were wrong - i have eased up a little on my anti-morph positions thanks to my dwarf Burms being variations of albino - i feel comfortable with a rare but ultimately natural/wild morphs (albinos) - the jaguars i’ve been eyeing are both caramel albino *and* jaguar so that’s what peaked my interest because i think they’re super beautiful (most unfortunate about those issues)

Look into Tiger Coastals perhaps?

[YungRasputin]

Look into Tiger Coastals perhaps?

was considering it but idk - my original idea was introducing the caramel albino DNA into the Rockhampton locality and developing that - Caramel is a dominant trait so i thought it might be something easy to achieve without having to go several generations deep into it

[jmcrook]

You'd be well advised to get your thumb firmly on the pulse of the Morelia/Carpet community before moving forward with any of these ideas. Any and all appeal of a locality animal goes swiftly and irreversibly out the window as soon as the animals are crossed into other ssp/morphs/etc

[Gio]

was considering it but idk - my original idea was introducing the caramel albino DNA into the Rockhampton locality and developing that - Caramel is a dominant trait so i thought it might be something easy to achieve without having to go several generations deep into it

You lost me there.

I'm dead against diluting a rare locality like the Rockhampton.

Nick Mutton's new book discusses some classification changes to that locale which makes it even more unique IMO.

If you are truly into "wild type" preservation of a species, you would be best off focusing on that very locality and selectively breeding it.

There are plenty of carpet morphs. There are not a lot of pure locality specimens here in the US.

I'll bow out of the discussion as I have rather strong opinions when it comes to pure locality animals and their preservation.

[jmcrook]

Yeah, I'm done here as well.

[YungRasputin]

You lost me there.

I'm dead against diluting a rare locality like the Rockhampton.

Nick Mutton's new book discusses some classification changes to that locale which makes it even more unique IMO.

If you are truly into "wild type" preservation of a species, you would be best off focusing on that very locality and selectively breeding it.

There are plenty of carpet morphs. There are not a lot of pure locality specimens here in the US.

I'll bow out of the discussion as I have rather strong opinions when it comes to pure locality animals and their preservation.

what is his book called? also, i agree with you tbh - this is something i’ve been debating with myself and have been v hesitant about this - i was curious about the jags but ultimately yes, i am not too keen on diluting any of my pure localities (i also have a pure Colombian BCI, pure Southern-Merauke scrub, etc)