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    Opinions on Reptile Wobble Gene [Survey]

    Hello, I'm holding a short survey to see community opinions on the wobble gene that's seen in spider ball pythons, woma ball pythons, hidden gene woma ball pythons, champagne ball pythons, powerball ball pythons, super sable ball pythons, enigma leopard geckos, and jungle carpet pythons.

    The survey only takes about 5 minutes and is fully anonymous. Only 3 questions are required.

    If this is breaking the community rules in any way/shape/form, I'll take it down immediately. If this isn't the right forum section, I'll move it. I put it here because it affects multiple different herps and not just BPs.

    The survey is in a google form format that does not record or ask for email addresses.
    It can be found here:
    https://forms.gle/Z1B7dUTyk2jVLa3A8

    In any case, I'd love to hear your opinions on the owning or breeding of animals with the wobble gene. I was interested in the controversy when it first became big in 2017/2018, but I rarely hear about it anymore. I'd also like to hear your opinions on the survey, if the questions were fair or if it was biased or not. Just please keep the discussion civil.

    I'm hoping to post the results to this same thread within a few weeks. None of this information will be redistributed to other sites.
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    Re: Opinions on Reptile Wobble Gene [Survey]

    Quote Originally Posted by TheWobbleGene View Post
    I'd also like to hear your opinions on the survey, if the questions were fair or if it was biased or not.
    I was unable to complete the survey. Got stuck on question: 2 and stopped.

    Question 2: 'Do you support the breeding of animals with the wobble gene?'
    -As mentioned previously: There are multiple genes which create wobble. The question forces the users to adopt all or no wobble genes.
    'Do you support the breeding of animals with a wobble gene' would be a viable choice.


    Question 2b: '...If new studies were conducted stating that these animals were negatively affected by the wobble gene, would you still support the breeding of these animals?'
    -I think 'negatively affected' is too broad. I think the majority of people will agree that many of the morphs unrelated to wobble will negatively affect the quality of life of a ball python in the wild in some form.
    'Negatively affects their quality of life in captivity...' would be a better choice as conditions in captivity and conditions in the wild are two separate sets of circumstances.
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    Re: Opinions on Reptile Wobble Gene [Survey]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Sorril View Post
    There are multiple genes which create wobble. The question forces the users to adopt all or no wobble genes.
    'Do you support the breeding of animals with a wobble gene' would be a viable choice.

    I find this (https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...ble-Hypothesis) hypothesis on the wobble gene very compelling, and it would imply that all wobbles in these animals are caused by mutations of the same gene with variable expressions depending on the morph. Since all of these morphs would be caused by mutations in one gene I used 'the', but since this isn't a confirmed hypothesis, I agree with you that it should be changed to 'a'.

    I think 'negatively affected' is too broad. I think the majority of people will agree that many of the morphs unrelated to wobble will negatively affect the quality of life of a ball python in the wild in some form.
    'Negatively affects their quality of life in captivity...' would be a better choice as conditions in captivity and conditions in the wild are two separate sets of circumstances.
    If that will clear up any confusion that that question was related to health in captivity, I'll have no problem adding it.

    Thank you for your feedback
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    Done. FYI it's not Jungle carpets but actually Jaguar.

    Currently we own a spider, enigma, and a jag as pets. Only the enigma displays any sign of neurological issues. Coincidently she is also the only one of the group that has gone through shipping.
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    Re: Opinions on Reptile Wobble Gene [Survey]

    Quote Originally Posted by 67temp View Post
    Done. FYI it's not Jungle carpets but actually Jaguar.

    Currently we own a spider, enigma, and a jag as pets. Only the enigma displays any sign of neurological issues. Coincidently she is also the only one of the group that has gone through shipping.
    Whoops, my bad. I'm surprised no one else pointed that out. I fixed it in the survey, but it looks like I can't edit the first post anymore.
    Thank you for the additional information! It makes sense that the enigma shows the issues since the shipping might have stressed her out a bit.

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    Re: Opinions on Reptile Wobble Gene [Survey]

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