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    Re: Thank You Bogertophis!

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    ...and do have a separate enclosure without any substrate for feeding...
    It's best for a snake's concentration on eating if they are fed where they live, not removed to another container. That handling will put many snakes off eating entirely, & while you might be getting away with it now, it's not a good practice. (trust me, I've heard all the "reasons" ppl give for doing this, ie. "cage aggression", yada yada) A snake that is hungry is way more likely to bite you when you handle it to move it elsewhere, & even MORE likely to bite you when you try to put them back, as they stay in 'feed mode' for hours or even a day or more. Your warm & wiggling hand will not always be respected as part of you, & not prey.

    BPs are snakes that are easily put off eating, especially as adults (around age 4), so what works ok now, might set you back later on. They are also "ambush-predators" by nature: they like to peek out of their hide in the evening & wait for clueless prey to stroll within reach. By moving your snake, you totally disrupt their natural instincts- & the only thing that picks up a snake in the wild is a predator that's about to eat THEM! Fear is not helpful to a snake's appetite.

    A much better way is to wait for their behavior (as just described) to signal their readiness to eat, then offer f/t prey from tongs with a slight jiggle to simulate "live". The prey must be properly thawed & have life-like warmth -many here use a hair-blow-dryer to give it that "finishing touch". Feeding live prey, sooner or later your pretty snake will get bitten & potentially maimed (some lose eyes, & others die from resulting infections, always harder to treat in our cold-blooded pals). If that happens, even assuming he survives OK, you'll have the pleasure of seeing his scars for years to come, knowing they could have been prevented.

    BTW, you can put something like a piece of cardboard or a large plastic lid over top of the substrate, ahead of time, near where your snake will feed, to help them keep substrate out of their mouth. A little bit won't usually matter anyway, but best avoided, as snakes have no enzymes to digest branches or other wood products.
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    Unhappy Re: Cloacal Opening - Is this normal?

    Hmm, now I'm a concerned snake mom. I've always fed my snakes in a separate space outside of their terrarium and always live mice (sinaloan milk snake for 15 years and another ball python I've had for about 8 years). I've heard it can be difficult to switch to frozen if you have started them on live. Also, don't live contain more nutrients for your snake? I've never fed the ball python anything bigger then a rat pup and I've never had any injuries. I feel like I've been doing it wrong all these years! Am I a bad snake mom?!

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    Re: Cloacal Opening - Is this normal?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieMay91 View Post
    Hmm, now I'm a concerned snake mom. I've always fed my snakes in a separate space outside of their terrarium and always live mice (sinaloan milk snake for 15 years and another ball python I've had for about 8 years). I've heard it can be difficult to switch to frozen if you have started them on live. Also, don't live contain more nutrients for your snake? I've never fed the ball python anything bigger then a rat pup and I've never had any injuries. I feel like I've been doing it wrong all these years! Am I a bad snake mom?!
    No...not bad, just misinformed. Social media spreads good & bad info, it can be hard to tell the difference but it's never to late to learn better ways. That's why we're here.

    F/t rodents lose a little of their scent after being frozen & thawed, but most snakes adjust quite well, & you can just pinch-damage the nose w/ your tongs to release more scent.

    Actually, depending on your snakes, many become better pets when fed f/t...a bit more relaxed & less ready to bite either in self defense (when you reach in) or out of confusion. Most snakes still grab & go thru the motions of constricting, but some will just eat "politely" from tongs...just depends on their personality as to how much they learn to let down their guard.

    Here's the thing though: a young BP can eat rat pups, but as snakes (including BPs) grow bigger, their nutritional needs are better met by larger (ADULT) rodents, because the adult rodents are less fatty, more protein & minerals from bigger bones & muscles. Live rodents do NOT have more nutrients, and besides that, they can give your snakes intestinal parasites-WORMS! which do not survive in frozen-thawed rodents. So you probably should get stool samples to your vet so you can see if any of your snakes need de-worming.

    You are correct that by feeding young rodents (rat pups) there was virtually no danger to your snake, but IF you were feeding the appropriate size (age) rodents, they sure would be.
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