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    2 recessive projects?

    Wondering the best way to go about starting 2 recessive projects at once? For example, say you have 2 visual recessive females, lets just say a pied and an albino. Would it be better to get separate males for each of these females or get one male that is visual for one and het for the other of these genes? Just curious how people start their collections when they’re trying to work with recessives. Seems like it can be a little tricky. If you’re working multiple recessive projects, I’d love to hear how you started and how you’ve built to where you are now!

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    I have a snow male that I'm going to breed to several ghost females to start a true ghost project. Albino and ghost is underwhelming in balls, but it'll be in there too.

    I have a pied male for when my snow females get big enough. Also got 4 het pied females so I can make my own en masse.

    I have a ghost male that I will breed to one specific ghost female to potentially make bel ghosts, but want to trade him for a Mojave ghost so I'm not breeding lesser to lesser.

    I find it's better to have a powerhouse male, 2 gene recessive combo, to breed to a bunch of females. If you're going to start from scratch, get a male and female of the visuals you want to combine and start the process.

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    In that case picking up a Albino Pied male would be the best route if you want to work on double recessive, considering are affordable they have become it will be your best investment, and if your females are young it's not something you have to worry about for another 12 to 18 months.

    Better odds, better resell value when it comes to offsprings.

    Now if you don't want to work on Double Recessive than a Male of each will be the route.
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    Re: 2 recessive projects?

    For just single recessive a male visual would be the best bet, put him to any females you want to make hets, or you could get a female that is also het for the recessive you are trying to make, along with the male.

    Best route for double hets would be getting the visuals that are het for the other recessive you are trying to make doubles with. For example, doing albino het pied x pied het albino would be the best chance at making the double recessive, but it can be expensive depending on which recessives you are aiming for.

    I started with 2 visuals ( clown x DG) and made double het offspring, financially this was my best option.

    double het x double get could work too but the odds are lower than using the visuals with hets.



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    I lucked out and made some albino genetic stripes a years back starting with possible hets but now that everything is cheaper maybe can afford something faster. Still will probably take some patience. I sort of like the idea of a pair of complementary homozygous for one and het for the other. I have an adult hypo proven het clown girl and would love to pick up a male VPI axanthic het clown for her but apparently that is a popular combo because they males are pretty expensive. So this year I bred her to a VPI axanthic het genetic stripe because that is what I had.

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    Sorry for all the typos above, blame it on Covid brain (but to be fair was never a great speller).

    In addition to proofing my post I meant to add that it seems to me that with all the inbreeding that might be needed for a multi generational multi recessive project it would be great if you could find someone you trust working the same project with unrelated lines and maybe swap males somewhere along the way.

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