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    Re: Ball python spazzing out during the day

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesenugget View Post
    Stop moving him from tank to tank... I'm not responding anymore, sorry.
    Well... Good luck.
    He wasn't using his hide and just roaming around lost on his enclosure. I moved him to his room at around 4am and within 30 mins he was happily in his hide (the same one he wouldn't go in, in the main tank) and is now getting some sleep. This is just temporary and I'm doing the best I can to get my poor little guy to be able to sleep. His main enclosure will be in his room by 6pm tonight and I will never have to tank swap him again.

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    I think this the point someone should close this thread down, you can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make drink (think). They are going to do whatever they want, regardless of the advice given. I read their threads before and could not believe what I was reading, and the fact this is a public form can help others think this might be an “okay way to keeping”. I’m super surprised the animal has gone this long without more problems. It’s a snake, and wishing and dreaming different isn’t going to make so. Best of luck, personally I believe with the snake, yours is running out.
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    Re: Ball python spazzing out during the day

    I do have some major concerns after going back and reading through previous threads as well as some of the language used in the OPs responses.

    "If it happens again, I will do what you say..." You came to us for advice. We are giving it to you. You aren't taking it - you're doing what you want, and continuously bugging the crap out of this poor snake that most likely is simply looking for a safe, secure place to be left alone for awhile. I think it's a HUGE correlation that you adopted the parrot in late April and Crowley went off feed a month and a half later. I'm not entirely convinced that the adopted bird didn't bring something in with him - birds carry all kinds of bugs, and if Crowley has been kept in close quarters with him, there's no telling. I'm also not entirely convinced that all the moving around hasn't exposed him to some sort of chemical - snakes absorb things differently than humans. They're tough, yes, but they can also get into spaces that we can't, and become exposed to things we can't. The temperature fluctuations from said moves are also very concerning - if you fall asleep when he's on a "mission" how do you know what he's gotten into, or what temps he was exposed to? NOTE: what happened to the second baby ball python you adopted? Did you quarantine?

    Snakes do not feel affection. They feel fear, hunger, thirst, heat, and cold. Their little reptile brains are not big enough to compute a complex emotion such as we humans define it. They need food and water, they need proper places to feel safe, and they need proper temps. If one of these is not being met, or they get sick, you will see what you are seeing.

    THIS. SNAKE. NEEDS. A. VET. Not excuses for why the vet is 3.5 hours away, not moving around to fifteen different places, not poking and prodding and holding him down, or you crying over him. He needs a doctor just like you would if you were acting/feeling out of sorts.

    After that, you need to seriously listen to folks that have been keeping snakes for far longer than you have, and start treating Crowley like what he is: a ball python. An insecure, young ball python, who's instincts tell him to find a hole and stay there until a rat happens to run by. He needs security, he needs to be left alone. Return to the very barest basics, and see if you can get him to eat. That's step 2, AFTER he's gone to the vet and gotten a diagnosis.

    I know I'm being harsh. I typically stay pretty quiet... I like to let people learn things on their own. You obviously care about this snake, and we all here on the forums care about him too. We are trying to help, and we are begging you to listen.
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    I don't see why people are saying I don't listen, I am taking the first step and putting his enclosure in his room away from the bird today. I am just trying to do what's best for Crowley and so far he's been doing much better since yesterday, I am letting him sleep in his room today as he is completely restless in his main enclosure right now. I've been leaving him be as much as I can to let him rest while still keeping an eye on him. I don't want to change everything I do all at once as that can stress him out just as bad. I will keep the enclosure the way it is and see if he does better in the room, if not I take the advice given and change things like his hides or bedding if that's even the issue. I don't want to cause any arguments so I will leave it at that for now. I will update on how he's doing once he's settled into his new location.

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    Re: Ball python spazzing out during the day

    Quote Originally Posted by Valyndris View Post
    I don't see why people are saying I don't listen, I am taking the first step and putting his enclosure in his room away from the bird today. I am just trying to do what's best for Crowley and so far he's been doing much better since yesterday, I am letting him sleep in his room today as he is completely restless in his main enclosure right now. I've been leaving him be as much as I can to let him rest while still keeping an eye on him. I don't want to change everything I do all at once as that can stress him out just as bad. I will keep the enclosure the way it is and see if he does better in the room, if not I take the advice given and change things like his hides or bedding if that's even the issue. I don't want to cause any arguments so I will leave it at that for now. I will update on how he's doing once he's settled into his new location.
    Do us all a favor and don’t update us. You are either pranking us, trolling us.......or I don’t want to get my first infraction. Nough said. Don’t need to hear the bird killed the snake, got enough stupid stuff in this world. I keep rereading, then remember why I stopped coming here. And you have two snakes? Poor guys. So if you’ll excuse me, I gonna leash up my 4 boys and taking them for their daily stroll to 7-11. It’s only 40degrees outside but they love the fresh air and the slithering down the sidewalk. Peace, I going to turn on my PS4, don’t worry I got enough controllers for all 4 snakes.
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    I'm having the hardest time visualizing your enclosures/arrangements. I know one cage you say is in his room, and one is elsewhere? Just to ease confusion could you show pictures of both enclosures and his "room"? Just so we are all on the same page here.

    Also when you say you're letting him sleep in his room, do you mean in the actual room itself free roaming or inside the enclosure in the room?
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    Re: Ball python spazzing out during the day

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    don’t worry I got enough controllers for all 4 snakes.


    Quote Originally Posted by MissterDog View Post
    I'm having the hardest time visualizing your enclosures/arrangements. I know one cage you say is in his room, and one is elsewhere? Just to ease confusion could you show pictures of both enclosures and his "room"? Just so we are all on the same page here.

    Also when you say you're letting him sleep in his room, do you mean in the actual room itself free roaming or inside the enclosure in the room?
    Same for me. When you say "room," do you actually mean an entire room roaming around? Calling it his room just leads me to believe that you're anthropomorphizing pretty badly here. And you say he has no problem with the bird and such but that he hasn't eaten since July? You don't see a contradiction there?
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    Re: Ball python spazzing out during the day

    Quote Originally Posted by Valyndris View Post
    I will keep the enclosure the way it is and see if he does better in the room, if not I take the advice given and change things like his hides or bedding if that's even the issue.
    This is why we say you're not listening.

    Good luck to you and Crowley.

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    Re: Ball python spazzing out during the day

    Quote Originally Posted by wnateg View Post
    ...but that he hasn't eaten since July?...
    She did acknowledge earlier that it got too chilly from A/C that was running...that may have sent a "fast" signal to the snake. It's a mistake that many people make in the summer...they adjust the A/C for human comfort & forget that the snakes perceive it as fall/winter coming on.

    I do think that she worries far too much about how the snake positions himself, for example. If a snake is comfortable (ie. not worried about) having his tail sticking out of his hide while he rests, I would NEVER interfere with it...

    Valyndris, when you touch a snake's tail (or lower body) is does stress them- that's what predators grab. If he wants to lay half in & half out of a hide, please do NOT try to re-position him the way you think he should lay. I agree that is too much interference. OK?

    And I do agree that Crowley is likely to feel much safer if he has only ONE home cage that he knows & feels secure in...and where you don't re-position him.
    (FYI, all of my snakes have dedicated plastic 'critter cottage' cage for temporary use while cleaning, transport or for programs, but they are NOT for anything long term.)
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    Re: Ball python spazzing out during the day

    Quote Originally Posted by Valyndris View Post
    I don't see why people are saying I don't listen, I am taking the first step and putting his enclosure in his room away from the bird today. I am just trying to do what's best for Crowley and so far he's been doing much better since yesterday, I am letting him sleep in his room today as he is completely restless in his main enclosure right now. I've been leaving him be as much as I can to let him rest while still keeping an eye on him. I don't want to change everything I do all at once as that can stress him out just as bad. I will keep the enclosure the way it is and see if he does better in the room, if not I take the advice given and change things like his hides or bedding if that's even the issue. I don't want to cause any arguments so I will leave it at that for now. I will update on how he's doing once he's settled into his new location.
    We're saying you don't listen...because you don't. You keep moving the poor snake all over the place. JUST LET HIM BE!!!!
    He's a snake, not a child who needs your constant supervision and interference. Just because his hide is crooked is no reason to bother him.

    For the sake of your snake, PLEASE understand he's a SNAKE.

    What may have been working til now clearly is NOT WORKING and if you truly want the best for your snake you need to understand he's a snake!!!

    Do a little research on snakes and how EXPERIENCED, SUCCESSFUL keepers keep them. You'll find none of us keep them the way you keep Crowley. Why??? Because it doesn't work!!

    You can't possibly know your snake loves his bed, I'm pretty sure he's the world's only snake with a bed. You can't tell me you honestly believe he's telling you he wants out all the time....unless his husbandry is wrong and he's trying to escape. He's NOT cruising cause he wants to hang out with you.

    Until you have a basic understanding of snakes for what they are you're going to continue to anthropomorphize and treat your snake like something he's not. He needs to be treated like...you guessed it...a SNAKE!!!

    Until you accept that he's a snake who has no emotional feelings towards you your snake will continue to suffer.

    You claim to love Crowley so much. Now show it by caring for him properly.
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