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    Mystery Clutch - HELP!

    So... I got this snake. Less than 2 months later she laid 6 eggs. These are the first four out of their eggs. The person I got her from swears he never paired her and he got her when she was 600 grams. She was 1800 grams when she came to me. I didn't pair her with anything. She's a black pastel, pastel, spider. What the heck are they? Could this be a partho clutch and she's het clown and maybe some other stuff? I'm waiting on 2 more to come out. All pipped well.

    I'll update when the last are out and again after they shed.







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    How long did the previous owner have her? from what age to what age? Not speaking for BPs specifically, but other snakes can mate & retain fertility for a year
    & some for several years+. It's seems unlikely to be a "partho clutch" because typically there is a high likelihood of defects with many that cannot survive. These
    look awfully healthy & normal for that to be the case. I'd guess that her first owner tried pairing her (at about 500-600 grams) & since she was too young/small,
    nothing happened until she grew & was now physically able to give them a go? Just my guess though? Others will have to help with morphs, I don't breed BPs,
    but they're interesting for sure...I assume you're elated?
    Many friends in low places...

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    He bought her when she was about 18 months old. She's 3 years old now. I was planning on pairing her this fall to a mystic potion. I'm totally ecstatic.

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    Re: Mystery Clutch - HELP!

    Quote Originally Posted by Reposado View Post
    He bought her when she was about 18 months old. She's 3 years old now. I was planning on pairing her this fall to a mystic potion. I'm totally ecstatic.
    So when he bought her she was old enough or big enough that the original owner may have co-habbed her with one or more males, maybe thinking it was OK,

    maybe just to see what happens or thinking all were the same gender, or not knowing it wasn't a good idea to house together? One way or another, a male got

    the job done, but her body wasn't ready yet, until now. Heck of a surprise, eh? FYI, I had a corn snake many years ago that laid good eggs for FIVE years total

    after one mating... The downside is that snakes that reproduce when they're still too young & growing may have a shortened life, as breeding takes quite the

    toll on their body, especially immature snakes. If you like what she has produced (lol) you'd probably be wise to hold-back at least one offspring, and don't let it

    breed so young. The snakes I've bred have never been under 4 years old (not BPs, but same idea).
    Last edited by Bogertophis; 09-20-2019 at 08:49 PM.
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    Re: Mystery Clutch - HELP!

    They kinda look like they might have leopard in them they're gorgeous!

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    Bps:
    0.1 Mojave BP (Liliana)
    0.1 Firefly BP (Chandra)
    0.1 Pastel GHI
    0.1 Pied 50% het Ghost
    0.1 Leopard Mojave
    0.1 Orange Dream Fire Yellowbelly
    0.1 Sugar Spider
    0.1 Desert Ghost
    0.1 Lesser 66% het Orange Ghost
    1.0 Fire Bee (Garruk)
    1.0 Leopard BP (Ajani)
    1.0 Butter Pastel BP (Diesel)
    1.0 Banana Pastel Enchi
    1.0 Lemon Pastel Enchi

    Non BPs:
    1.0 Sunfire Retic (Helios)R.I.P.
    1.0 Albino Burmese Python (Slayer)
    0.1 Normal het Granite Burmese Python (Pandora)
    0.2 Calico Cats (Mana and Elizabeth)
    0.1 Dog (pitbull lab mix) (Nova)

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    Re: Mystery Clutch - HELP!

    Im almost 100% positive they are leopard bumble bees (leopard pastel spider) at the very least. And that other baby is a leopard spider

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    Last edited by Alexiel03; 09-21-2019 at 02:51 PM.

    Bps:
    0.1 Mojave BP (Liliana)
    0.1 Firefly BP (Chandra)
    0.1 Pastel GHI
    0.1 Pied 50% het Ghost
    0.1 Leopard Mojave
    0.1 Orange Dream Fire Yellowbelly
    0.1 Sugar Spider
    0.1 Desert Ghost
    0.1 Lesser 66% het Orange Ghost
    1.0 Fire Bee (Garruk)
    1.0 Leopard BP (Ajani)
    1.0 Butter Pastel BP (Diesel)
    1.0 Banana Pastel Enchi
    1.0 Lemon Pastel Enchi

    Non BPs:
    1.0 Sunfire Retic (Helios)R.I.P.
    1.0 Albino Burmese Python (Slayer)
    0.1 Normal het Granite Burmese Python (Pandora)
    0.2 Calico Cats (Mana and Elizabeth)
    0.1 Dog (pitbull lab mix) (Nova)

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    Re: Mystery Clutch - HELP!

    Quote Originally Posted by Alexiel03 View Post
    Im almost 100% positive they are leopard bumble bees (leopard pastel spider) at the very least. And that other baby is a leopard spider

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    I'm thinking pinstripe too, especially with the one with finer markings.

    This is snake #5. Waiting on one more to come out

    Last edited by Reposado; 09-21-2019 at 05:27 PM.

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    Such a cute mystery! It's crazy how snakes can hold back sperm and decide when they want to lay eggs.

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    I'd say you hit the jackpot. Your snake just paid for herself. I really like the dark leopard!

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    All out, group shot.


    I'm thinking Leopard Pastel was the daddy, though Leopard Pastel Clown Spider looks a LOT like a couple of these. The head stamps are really throwing me off.
    http://www.worldofballpythons.com/mo...-pastel-spider

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