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    Re: Back in the Game

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    Thank you so much! The AFRMA link just said marten was dominant (unknown) and I couldnít find much else on it so I thought it would be dominant. XD So I assume all the babies would be 100% het marten? Rat/mouse genetics donít seem as straightforward as snake genetics....

    Now, if I were wanting to add individuals or replace my colony with known genetics, what are my best options for doing so? Would an AFRMA certified breeder be willing to sell to me, or mentor me, knowing Iím also breeding for snake food? Or just keep looking on Craigslist for sellers, checking pet stores, etc.?


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    In Texas, AFRMA is a joke. Most of the serious breeders of rats don't mess with AFRMA and the few rats I've seen from their lines are horrible messes. Low litter count and weird proportions based on what they consider "ideal". Also, a lot of pet breeders don't believe in culling in any form, so snake food breeders are kind of their own group.

    There is a group on Facebook called "Feeder Breeder Enthusiasts" that will answer 99% of all your questions without too much issue and with out any judgement. I raise a number of feeders outside of Rats and am expanding, and it's one of my favorite groups. In regards to mentoring you, I've mentored more than one novice rat breeder and am happy to answer any questions I can for you either on here, or on Facebook if you want to find me. Send me a PM and I'll link you my profile.

    Color Genetics for Rats are not any more complicated than Snake Genetics, but it's the genetics of Pattern that will get you all wound up. I personally don't like patterns outside of Hooded and Blaze, so I've done my best to cull out anything other than those, but those two genes interact well with Self, Irish, and Berkshire patterns, which are most of my collection.

    I'd get onto FBE on Facebook and post that you're looking to get "Founding Stock" for a rattery. Go entirely with known lines and genetics as inbreeding isn't an issue and make sure that whoever you buy from has the genes you want. If you were closer to me I'd help you out. But you can find someone within reasonable distance. It's worth EVERY PENNY to get good, known lines out of the gate to avoid having to breed out things like Maternal Aggression and any temperament issues.

    Best,

    Paul

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    Re: Back in the Game

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    In Texas, AFRMA is a joke. Most of the serious breeders of rats don't mess with AFRMA and the few rats I've seen from their lines are horrible messes. Low litter count and weird proportions based on what they consider "ideal". Also, a lot of pet breeders don't believe in culling in any form, so snake food breeders are kind of their own group.

    There is a group on Facebook called "Feeder Breeder Enthusiasts" that will answer 99% of all your questions without too much issue and with out any judgement. I raise a number of feeders outside of Rats and am expanding, and it's one of my favorite groups. In regards to mentoring you, I've mentored more than one novice rat breeder and am happy to answer any questions I can for you either on here, or on Facebook if you want to find me. Send me a PM and I'll link you my profile.

    Color Genetics for Rats are not any more complicated than Snake Genetics, but it's the genetics of Pattern that will get you all wound up. I personally don't like patterns outside of Hooded and Blaze, so I've done my best to cull out anything other than those, but those two genes interact well with Self, Irish, and Berkshire patterns, which are most of my collection.

    I'd get onto FBE on Facebook and post that you're looking to get "Founding Stock" for a rattery. Go entirely with known lines and genetics as inbreeding isn't an issue and make sure that whoever you buy from has the genes you want. If you were closer to me I'd help you out. But you can find someone within reasonable distance. It's worth EVERY PENNY to get good, known lines out of the gate to avoid having to breed out things like Maternal Aggression and any temperament issues.

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    Paul
    I thought I was in that group, turns out Iím not! Sent a request. The other groups Iím in have almost no activity.

    For now, my group works well for feeder breeders, but without knowing their genetics 100% I donít feel comfortable selling as pets.

    I also want to have a whole host of feeders for the snakes (as well as myself). Iím currently in the process of finding a house, and Iím looking for a place with enough space to have rats, mice, rabbits, chickens, pigs, goats, quail, ducks, and anything else Iíll need. Rabbits have been hard to find lately, perhaps the FBE group will be able to help. Iíve only found one breeder, in TN. :/


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    3.3 Boa imperator ('15 sunglow "Nymeria," '11 wild-type "Cloud," '15 ghost "Tirel," '16 anery motley "Crona," '10 ghost "Howl," '08 junge "Dominika")
    1.0 garter snake ('13 albino checkered "Draco")
    0.1 reticulated python ('14 "Riverrun")

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    1.0 eastern garter ('13 "Demigod)
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    Re: Back in the Game

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    I thought I was in that group, turns out Iím not! Sent a request. The other groups Iím in have almost no activity.

    For now, my group works well for feeder breeders, but without knowing their genetics 100% I donít feel comfortable selling as pets.

    I also want to have a whole host of feeders for the snakes (as well as myself). Iím currently in the process of finding a house, and Iím looking for a place with enough space to have rats, mice, rabbits, chickens, pigs, goats, quail, ducks, and anything else Iíll need. Rabbits have been hard to find lately, perhaps the FBE group will be able to help. Iíve only found one breeder, in TN. :/


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    Good luck! Once you're in the group and make a post I'm sure you'll find someone. There are lots and lots of members in there.

    I've got Rats for the snakes, but am going to get some Mice and ASFs going soon. Outside of the snake stuff, I have Dubias, Hissers, Mealworms, Superworms, and Wax Worms currently. We've also had success in breeding snails, but I think they'll grow too slowly to be decent as a food option for lizards.


    I looked again at your pictures. Your girls are Marten for sure, but they're not homozygous martens. They've both got one marten gene, and the other is likely to be Himalayan or Albino, so all your babies will carry one or the other and you won't know which. It's like breeding a Candino to a normal, you've got 50% that are het for Albino and 50% het for Candy, but don't know which are which.

    I'm going to have my first Homozygous Martens soon, probably around Christmas time. As it sits right now, I've finally hit pay dirt on my Tonkinese breeding projects.

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    Looks like Calypso's litter has been weaned, and I only found 3 males out of her litter of 10. Those males have been moved to their own tub, and Calypso and Misery will be moved back together and the other litter separated when Misery's litter is also weaned. I have put Doc in with the other 2 females, and by the time they're ready to give birth, I should have all the young rats culled off for feeding. Getting that second rack is going to take a bit longer as it's a lot more expensive than the smaller one. :/

    I'm hoping they'll do ok over the winter. Last time I bred rats, they were kept outside in a carport. They still had babies except at the absolute coldest temps and could keep themselves warm even in the negatives, but they were in a much larger cage with bedding deeper than these rats' tubs are. If the cold does turn out to be an issue, I do have space heaters to put next to the racks, but the room is too large to heat. Still crossing my fingers we'll be able to start looking for houses again next month.
    3.3 Boa imperator ('15 sunglow "Nymeria," '11 wild-type "Cloud," '15 ghost "Tirel," '16 anery motley "Crona," '10 ghost "Howl," '08 junge "Dominika")
    1.0 garter snake ('13 albino checkered "Draco")
    0.1 reticulated python ('14 "Riverrun")

    ~RIP~
    2.2 Brazilian rainbow boa ('15 Picasso stripe BRBs "Guin" and "Morzan, and '15 hypo "Homura", '14 normal "Sanji")
    1.0 eastern garter ('13 "Demigod)
    0.0.1 ball python ('06 "Bud")

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