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    Ahh yes my mistake, I got them mixed up.

    I would still contact pro-products directly. If you waited days, I don't see how this could have happened, esp with just spraying the tub.
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    Re: P-A-M poisoning

    Quote Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril View Post
    Ahh yes my mistake, I got them mixed up.

    I would still contact pro-products directly. If you waited days, I don't see how this could have happened, esp with just spraying the tub.
    The half-life of permethrin is 30 days if not in direct sunlight. So, after a few days it will still be near full strength.

    Permethrin also bonds nicely to water so if the snake drank or even soaked in the spilled water it would end up poisoned.

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    Re: P-A-M poisoning

    Thanks for sharing this traumatic experience.
    Mites are such a pain, because they require pesticide in most cases, yet we donít want to poison our reptiles!
    Itís difficult to treat thoroughly, but yet make sure the reptile isnít poisoned as well.
    Iím glad you shared, as many people will read this.

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    Re: P-A-M poisoning

    Quote Originally Posted by bcr229 View Post
    The half-life of permethrin is 30 days if not in direct sunlight. So, after a few days it will still be near full strength.

    Permethrin also bonds nicely to water so if the snake drank or even soaked in the spilled water it would end up poisoned.

    I have read that the half life is 30 days. Also mentions that once sprayed and dried, it bonds to whatever surface it's on and it is advertised that cages can even be misted after that. I was weary of that because bottom line, it is a poison. I have used it in the past with good results, but it does concern me
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    Re: P-A-M poisoning

    67temp is an awesome snake dad. he stayed up with her all night when we realized she rested when in our laps. it was a horrible experience that i hope no-one has to go through. we learned a lot and hope others can too. she spent a few hours curled up in my hoodie and let's say i had no choice but to get over my fear of carpets very quickly!

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    I think you both make great "snarents"... and I hope she makes a full recovery & remembers how to slide into your hoodie, hahaha!
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    Re: P-A-M poisoning

    your experience was almost the same as mine, but i had far worse results...

    thank you so much for sharing, as i haven't had the courage to recount my experience on here.
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    Re: P-A-M poisoning

    Quote Originally Posted by tttaylorrr View Post
    your experience was almost the same as mine, but i had far worse results...

    thank you so much for sharing, as i haven't had the courage to recount my experience on here.
    I'm so sorry for whatever you & especially your snake(s?) went thru. For the sake of others, I hope you DO share your experience. Personally I'd be afraid to use P-A-M,
    just based on what I've heard already- snakes are just so vulnerable to stuff like this.
    Many friends in low places...

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    Re: P-A-M poisoning

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogertophis View Post
    I'm so sorry for whatever you & especially your snake(s?) went thru. For the sake of others, I hope you DO share your experience. Personally I'd be afraid to use P-A-M,
    just based on what I've heard already- snakes are just so vulnerable to stuff like this.
    im the biggest advocate for sharing the bad as well as the good, so i know i will one day.

    and i personally will never use PAM again.
    4.4 ball python
    1.0 Albino 0.1 Coral Glow 0.1 Super Cinnamon paradox 1.0 Piebald 0.1 Pastel Enchi Leopard het Piebald 1.0 Coral Glow het Piebald

    1.0 corn snake
    1.0 Hypo

    1.0 crested gecko
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    0.1 cat
    0.1 Maine Coon mix

    0.1 human ✌︎

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    Re: P-A-M poisoning

    Quote Originally Posted by tttaylorrr View Post
    im the biggest advocate for sharing the bad as well as the good, so i know i will one day.

    and i personally will never use PAM again.
    You have my sincere sympathy & hugs... I've read other bad outcomes on previous forum, though mites themselves can kill too. It's a miserable choice to have
    to make.
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