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    Help With Morph Identification

    Hello! This is my first post, so Iím hoping Iím doing everything correctly here. Iíd like to get some clarification on the morphs of two of my Ball Pythons. I wasnít sure if I was allowed to make separate posts, so I lumped the two together to be safe.

    For the first snake, I purchased him as a Vanilla Clown, though the breeder believes him to be Yellow Belly as well. I was hoping to see if anyone here saw indication of that as well? He has nice flames along the sides, but his belly is a bit ďdirty.Ē Iím not certain if every YB has a pure white belly though. When heís old enough, I have a Pastel Yellow Belly female I plan to breed him to in order to prove him out. That may be the only way to be sure, but I thought Iíd get otherís opinions as well.

    As for the second snake, she was sold to me as a ďSomething SpecialĒ Het Clown. My first impression was in the vein of Leopard. When I inquired about this ďspecialĒ trait, the breeder was very vague and even after purchasing her, never actually told me what he believed her to be. I purchased her regardless at an excellent price and wonít regret the decision even if sheís a fancy Normal. I do believe sheís something more though. Sheís pretty dark, more so in person than in the pictures, and her pattern seems different to a Normalís. Does she look like one of the established morphs? A possible Dinker project? Or simply a nicer than most Normal?

    Either way, Iím very happy with both snakes, I would just like to have a better understanding of what they are. Thank you all in advance, itís much appreciated. I apologize for the post being longer than intended!












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    i'm very inclined to say that u just have a regular Clown. if he had Vanilla, he would be lighter and if there was YB, much brighter. i still hope he proves out for u tho. that "Something Special" het Clown kinda looks GHI'ish to me. the breeder u got them from seems unnecessarily unsure, vague and secretive. u should just pair that Clown boy to both your Pastel YB and the "Something Special" het Clown to see what hatches.

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    Re: Help With Morph Identification

    Thank you for your input, itís much appreciated! I hadnít considered the possibility that the Clown wasnít Vanilla; the breeder seems reputable and his pattern seemed too reduced for just a normal Clown. Iíll post a better picture of him for reference. When heís breed ready, I already have two females chosen for him, the Pastel YB as well as a SuperFly 66% Het Clown. I was hoping for some possible Vanilla Scream Clowns, but if there is doubt on the Vanilla part, I guess Iíll be proving this male out for two possible genes. If he seems up to it in the future, I may pair the ďspecialĒ one to him as well, if it doesnít seem overwhelming for him to breed three females at one time.

    Just to clarify, these two snakes came from different breeders. Iím only uncertain about the integrity of the unidentified snakeís breeder, because he was so vague about her genetics. I havenít been given reason to doubt the Clownís breeder. I should have probably said that from the get go, my apologies.

    GHI is an interesting guess! I hadnít considered it, because I didnít think her pattern matched the usual look of it. Iím excited to eventually breed her and see what she produces!




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    ^ i don't see anything in your Clown's colors - lightness or brightness. the flames u are referring to are also called tear drops and seem within the variation. i just see a nice, reduced pattern Clown but that is my opinion and i could be wrong. maybe others will chime in. how does he compare to the rest of his clutch?

    the neck dorsal and skinny high pattern your 2nd snake reminds me of GHI. i looks too clean tho and even tho it is a dark snake, the colors still seem kinda off. i'm sure it's the het influence and this is just a cool dinker.

    either way, it sounds like u have great plans and projects.
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    Re: Help With Morph Identification

    Compared to one of his YB Clown siblings, they share the same overall color and brightness. The only difference is mine has a much more reduced pattern. Another of his siblings was a Pastel Vanilla Clown, which had an extremely similar reduced pattern, but a more dramatic head stamp. I donít feel comfortable posting the breederís photos, but I have compared the clutch mates to one another.

    Iím just hoping whatever sheís got going on passes to her offspring, I adore her dark color. Sheís stumped me from the get go haha.

    Thank you, Iím hoping to produce some cool combos one of these days!


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    I agree with everything Ax said. I looked at the pics before anyone responded and literally was going to say the same thing, cool that I'm not the only one that your drinker reminds of ghi, I don't think the color is right for ghi, but I love the pattern and instantly thought ghi. Really cool dinker project in my opinion, she's really different and beautiful.

    As for the clown, I'm not good at spotting yb in combos but I see nothing but a reduced clown. I've seen a lot of reduced clowns, some were blade clown but I've seen many straight clowns that were just as reduced as blade clowns.

    Both are nice additions imo, congrats!

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    Could the "special" be a special?
    Special is a morph in BPs (I cannot ID it though, sorry)
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    Re: Help With Morph Identification

    I'm sorry, this is completely unrelated but, I'm new to this site and I can't figure out how to post a thread lol. Do you need a paid subscription to do so or am I just having a difficult time finding the add thread button?

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    Re: Help With Morph Identification

    Thank you, rufretic! She is a beautiful girl and Iím excited to see what her offspring will look like when Iím able to breed her. So far it seems sheís just a cool Dinker project, but Iím very happy with that.

    I donít think her morph is Special, since sheís so dark and her pattern doesnít match up, but that was a good idea to look into, AbsoluteApril. Thank you for the suggestion!

    Iím disheartened to hear that the Clown seems to be only a single gene, albeit a nice one. After Ax gave their opinion on him, I sent a picture to a well trusted breeder who also said he didnít believe him to be Vanilla. Iím concerned because I paid a good price for him, so Iím uncertain of how I should proceed contacting the person I purchased him from, or if I should at all? If heís not Vanilla, I well overpaid for him. I genuinely believed he was as advertised, but now I wish I would have gotten more opinions before buying him. Hard lessons to learn, I suppose.

    Thank you for your guysí input, I really appreciate all of you replying to this thread. Youíve helped me a lot!


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    Re: Help With Morph Identification

    jo_boyer, on the Tapatalk app you just hit the ďNew TopicĒ button in the top right hand corner. Iím not sure how you do so on the website itself, but the app is very useful, especially in sharing photos. You may looking into using it!


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