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    Re: How do you keep the enclosure at a safe temp?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bavouyeir View Post
    Thank you! Honestly, I can keep my room at higher temps, but I do have to literally wear ice packs. I'd honestly do anything to own a bp because it's been my dream since I was 11. I don't know, maybe I just have to be in the heat more to adapt a tolerance for it. 🤔
    I guess I'm going to try and train myself to tolerate higher temps before I own a snake, that's for sure!

    Yeah but other than the whole room thing, I was worried about the heat lamp because I heard from some people that they would recommend having one but then others were saying that you shouldn't have one and I just want my snake to be happy and warm.
    If you have another room that is warmer, that would work for you though, just a thought as somebody else suggested.
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    Re: How do you keep the enclosure at a safe temp?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal View Post
    Exactly, I stopped reading anything you said at the point SHOULD, because it's not definite which means you're putting the animal at risk in advance. I've seen another situation jut like this, and it didn't work, so actually I do know. This is why I said it won't work from the beginning. That's what I'm trying to tell you, but you're stuck on should.
    If you're not even reading what I said then don't quote me and try picking apart what I said. And as I've said, it's been the best option so far.

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    Re: How do you keep the enclosure at a safe temp?

    Quote Originally Posted by SquirmyPug View Post
    If you're not even reading what I said then don't quote me and try picking apart what I said. And as I've said, it's been the best option so far.
    It's really not. But thanks for your suggestion without having actual experience. OP has stated they will try other stuff, which means the took the advice of people who have actual experience.
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    Re: How do you keep the enclosure at a safe temp?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal View Post
    It's really not. But thanks for your suggestion without having actual experience. OP has stated they will try other stuff, which means the took the advice of people who have actual experience.
    How don't I have experience? I have RHPs. I have uths. I have insulation on my tanks. I have lower temperatures in my room. The only thing I gave my opinion on was that it MIGHT work for him with his low temperature. And thanks for lowering my reputation for no reason other than the fact you didn't read what I said and wanted to seem "right".

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    Re: How do you keep the enclosure at a safe temp?

    This does not sound like a good idea. I myself cant imagine any of my rooms at 50* let alone trying to keep a reptile under those conditions. Im always warm myself and my house is kept at 68. During the summer with my central air running 24/7 its 66-68 with 20% humidity and feels freezing to everyone else that comes over so i cant believe your room could really be 50. But anyway thats a recipe for a disaster. I run several quality Radiant Heat panels and they wouldn’t even be able to keep a ambient temp of 78-80 let alone a Hot Spot of 90 in a 50 degree room. You cant just use a Heat Mat on a thermostat either because the cool draft of 50 in and around the enclosure is a sure case of respiratory infection sooner or later. I think this is the wrong pet under your current situation or until you can use another room in your home that you can keep at a min of 68 degrees so you can run a Radiant Heat panel in the enclosure to get a hot spot of 90 and a ambient of 80.
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    Re: How do you keep the enclosure at a safe temp?

    Honesty, I would get a pvc enclosure and give the gentleman at pro products a call and ask about their RHPs. Explain to him the temps you would be keeping the snake and see if he would have a panel that would work for you. I forget his name, but he is very helpful and would give you some legitimate information on keeping temps in an enclosure based on your ambient house temps. The entire house caaaaant be that cold!

    i also tend to think 50 degrees may not be 100% accurate. That’s freakin cold man!

    edit: if you have a small room like a laundry room or closet won’t outlets, you could set up and space heater on a tstat
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    Re: How do you keep the enclosure at a safe temp?

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    I would use a radiant heat panel on a thermostat to maintain ambient temperature in the low 80s. And use an under tank heater on a thermostat to maintain the hot spot.
    I know that sounds like a good idea but it will never work. I run the largest RHP’s on the market and they wont do a thing in a room under 66-68.
    The problem is they will run constantly if they are trying to reach a temp they just cant get to.. that causes 2 problems, first it cooks the Hot Spot to 110+ degrees and the ambient never gets met. So you have a dangerously Hot basking area and a ambient that is dangerously cool... i had to close off the AC vent in my snake room after I tried everything under the sun. Now the room only gets down to 66 at the coolest of times and thats the limit of the RHP’s for safe operating. Just going down to 62 and my Hot Spot skyrockets because the Thermostat probe cant reach the temp to cut it off if its on the cool side. Move the tstat probe to the Hot side and it shuts off before there is a safe Ambient.
    No win situation. This isnt a room for reptiles.



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    Re: How do you keep the enclosure at a safe temp?

    Quote Originally Posted by CALM Pythons View Post
    I know that sounds like a good idea but it will never work. I run the largest RHP’s on the market and they wont do a thing in a room under 66-68.
    The problem is they will run constantly if they are trying to reach a temp they just cant get to.. that causes 2 problems, first it cooks the Hot Spot to 110+ degrees and the ambient never gets met. So you have a dangerously Hot basking area and a ambient that is dangerously cool... i had to close off the AC vent in my snake room after I tried everything under the sun. Now the room only gets down to 66 at the coolest of times and thats the limit of the RHP’s for safe operating. Just going down to 62 and my Hot Spot skyrockets because the Thermostat probe cant reach the temp to cut it off if its on the cool side. Move the tstat probe to the Hot side and it shuts off before there is a safe Ambient.
    No win situation. This isnt a room for reptiles.



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    As I read the original post, the room in question may not even be 50*? The OP said they're too hot if it's over 50* and also that there are dogs & cats
    in the rest of the house (safety issue). I just don't see it working at all, it's a recipe for a reptile disaster.

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    Re: How do you keep the enclosure at a safe temp?

    OP, what temperature exactly do you keep your house at in the summer and winter? Many are assuming you keep it at 50 degrees.

    Now, if your house isn't actually 50 degrees (because as others have said, I don't think any heat source would overcome that), you can definitely use a heat lamp to raise ambient temperatures. Go for a blue light or infrared light because you will probably need to leave them on all the time if the area is cooler. You can use in conjunction with a UTH. Thermostat is required for UTH.

    Do heat lamps and CHEs dry out enclosures? Yes. But this is also manageable with the right substrate, misting, humid hides, a room humidifier, etc.

    The safest bet would be to try a practice setup of your enclosure for at least a week or two with no animal so you can determine whether your heating elements are sufficient or within the realm of being sufficient with adjustments.

    And having cats and dogs is not a deal breaker either as long as you follow common sense safety precautions. Whatever you decide, best of luck!
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