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    Rescue with Bad Eye Caps

    Hey all, I got an emergency surrender today. Gives to me as a female but Iím thinking a male. Very sweet, came to me cold and stiff as a rock with stuck shed and what I can only assume are eye caps. It made me sad because a lot of the stuck shed came off just as I was looking him over which tells me he hasnít been handled much. That was a given by how terrified the previous owners were to pick him up. Hey I understand fear of snakes but if youíre too scared to touch one you likely should not own one. He didnít even have a hide in his old enclosure. Just aspen and a small water bowl. I let him warm up to room temp of my reptile room and then placed him in his temp tub to warm up. My biggest concern is the eye caps. I donít have experience dealing with them so I wanted to ask advice. Iíve heard of using tape, making sure to tap it against your finger first so itís not too sticky. I am comfortable doing this but it sounds like it leaves a lot of room for human error so I was wondering my other options. Iíll try to get a pic. I also havenít sexed him yet but Iím guessing by size and the spurs. Iíll see if I can get a pic of those too. Thanks for ant tips!










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    Did he shed any of his head while he was with you? Because I don't think those are stuck eyecaps at all...he may be just showing creases in his eyes where they
    were buckled at some point from insufficient humidity.

    Using "scotch tape" won't hurt anything either way, if you really think there is something that needs to come off, but don't get aggressive (as some have, mistakenly
    damaging the actual eyes in an effort to remove eyecaps). Scotch tape has worked for me before, just a light touch if & when the old eyecaps are ready to come
    off, but it's not strong enough to damage the actual eyes if no eyecaps are retained.

    Another thread right now has been discussing creases like you're seeing in his eyes, btw.

    Here it is: https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...-going-on-here

    I agree, looks like a male...and why ppl get snakes they are afraid of is beyond me. Poor baby, glad he's got you to help him now.
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    Re: Rescue with Bad Eye Caps

    Never use any tape on a snake and certainly not their eyes .. or even in their vivs !!!


    Iíd suggest a good soak but stay close at hand donít ever leave it them .
    Have a wet , rough textured towel ready then wrap the snake up in the towel and let it wriggle around .. all the time itís moving around you can apply very , very gentle pressure to the head / eyes regions and when itís head comes out just wrap it up again and continue . The eye caps will normally just come gently off ON the towel ..


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    Re: Rescue with Bad Eye Caps

    Quote Originally Posted by Bogertophis View Post
    Did he shed any of his head while he was with you? Because I don't think those are stuck eyecaps at all...he may be just showing creases in his eyes where they
    were buckled at some point from insufficient humidity.

    Using "scotch tape" won't hurt anything either way, if you really think there is something that needs to come off, but don't get aggressive (as some have, mistakenly
    damaging the actual eyes in an effort to remove eyecaps). Scotch tape has worked for me before, just a light touch if & when the old eyecaps are ready to come
    off, but it's not strong enough to damage the actual eyes if no eyecaps are retained.

    Another thread right now has been discussing creases like you're seeing in his eyes, btw.
    A little bit of stuck shed came off just the center top of his head, just like four little dots, no where near the whole head. I have no experience with layers of eye caps. The only time I ever dealt with it was with my Dekays who just needed help getting an otherwise healthy shed going past his eyes. So my eye cap guess could easily be way wrong. I did see that eye crease thread. It didnít even occur to me it could be the same. Iíll go back and check it out again. I may try the scotch tape just in case and I promise I will in no way be aggressive. Do you think itís okay to let him rest for a few days first though? I donít want to stress him out to much right now. If itís important to figure out the eye thing ASAP I will though. Thank you!


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    I wouldnít do anything, I got a pastel just like that in worse shape than that. Put him/her in a good tank with plenty of water and I kept the humidity at 70%ish when he went into blue and everything went well on his first shed and he was perfect the second shed. Sometimes itís best to let nature take care of itself and not stress the snake.

    Then if he doesnít shed right u can intervene. But with the right care he should bounce right back and less stress this way

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    Re: Rescue with Bad Eye Caps

    Quote Originally Posted by Zincubus View Post
    Never use any tape on a snake and certainly not their eyes .. or even in their vivs !!!


    Iíd suggest a good soak but stay close at hand donít ever leave it them .
    Have a wet , rough textured towel ready then wrap the snake up in the towel and let it wriggle around .. all the time itís moving around you can apply very , very gentle pressure to the head / eyes regions and when itís head comes out just wrap it up again and continue . The eye caps will normally just come gently off ON the towel ..


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    Ok, so no tape. I know there will be different views on tape but frankly Iím just not sold enough on its effectiveness in this situation to try it unless itís absolutely necessary. Iíll definitely try the bath. And I would not leave him. Iíve seen people leave snakes in baths before and it makes me so sad. I always remember one video in particular of a poor baby sand boa left alone in six inches of water to swim for 45 minutes! Thanks for the advice!

    Iím your opinion do they look like eye caps? And do you have an opinion on the sex? I know you canít always tell based on spur size but Iím just curious other peopleís thoughts.


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    Re: Rescue with Bad Eye Caps

    Quote Originally Posted by Danger noodles View Post
    I wouldnít do anything, I got a pastel just like that in worse shape than that. Put him/her in a good tank with plenty of water and I kept the humidity at 70%ish when he went into blue and everything went well on his first shed and he was perfect the second shed. Sometimes itís best to let nature take care of itself and not stress the snake.

    Then if he doesnít shed right u can intervene. But with the right care he should bounce right back and less stress this way
    Thanks! Heís definitely far from the worst Iíve seen, thankfully! I donít plan in doing anything for a few days regardless, I want to let him settle in and rest. Do you mean you have a snake with eyes that look like this one, it was eye caps?


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    Re: Rescue with Bad Eye Caps

    I personally would not try using tape. Iíve heard about it, but have never tried it. I was just not willing to risk permanently damaging their eyes. For any rescues Iíve had with stuck shed, I have let them soak in shallow luke warm water and used my hands or a wet washrag or towel to gently rub any stuck shed. Most of the time the next shed takes care of everything I canít dislodge. As for the eyecaps, it does not look like retained eyecaps to me, just dimples or creases from incorrect humidity. Correcting the husbandry now that heís in your care should go a long way toward correcting the issue, along with a shed or two depending on the severity of prior damage.
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    I don't see stuck eye caps. The eyes would be a lot more milky if they had caps still. The best way to get them off is a damp paper towel or one of those rubber thumb/finger covers they use when sorting a lot of papers. Your post office should have a bunch.

    Those spurs do not indicate male or female. I've had females with larger spurs than any of my males. The only way to tell is to try and pop it or have someone experienced probe it. Popping is quick and painless, albiet a little difficult for a snake that size. If you get sperm plugs then it's a male; get nothing, female.

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    Re: Rescue with Bad Eye Caps

    Quote Originally Posted by Eramyl View Post
    I don't see stuck eye caps. The eyes would be a lot more milky if they had caps still. The best way to get them off is a damp paper towel or one of those rubber thumb/finger covers they use when sorting a lot of papers. Your post office should have a bunch.

    Those spurs do not indicate male or female. I've had females with larger spurs than any of my males. The only way to tell is to try and pop it or have someone experienced probe it. Popping is quick and painless, albiet a little difficult for a snake that size. If you get sperm plugs then it's a male; get nothing, female.
    In my (very limited) experience the spurs tend to be longer and more curved in males, but certainly not always. I donít think I mentioned but I havenít popped him yet because he was so cold and stiff when he came to me. I have experience popping hemipenes and IĎll check him but thereís no rush. Iím mostly speculating by the spurs for fun in the meantime.

    Thanks for the advice on the eyes! I didnít realize they would stay milky if they were eye caps.


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