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    Normal vs Enchi vs ??

    I'm starting this as a bit of a spin-off . I have another thread going about my 2 rescue ball pythons where I've posted these pictures.

    One of the 2 is a male who I was told is an enchi. Prior owner didn't say where they got him, so I'm not sure how trustworthy the info is. Looking at him, he could be a low-quality enchi, but maybe something else. He has less of the banding pattern, but quite a bit of orange and some dark gold-ish blushing in his very dark brown/black. Most of this blushing and flaming was much less visible before his shed.

    He does not have any interesting belly pattern, looks about like a normal there, so definitely not yellowbelly.

    These pictures were taken this morning near a door with natural light from a cloudy day. Comparing him to the pictures is as close as I have ever gotten on coloring on a snake, so they're pretty true-to-life.

    He has some flaming up his sides and very subtle blushing all over his back. His eyes are also brighter than I've seen on a normal, sort of a dark forest green which is different to normals I've seen. Also, all of his brighter pattern seems to have a border where it is lighter/brighter before it transitions to the black; also something I haven't seen before that seems unusual.

    On the other thread, it was suggested that he may be orange dream? I'm not great at IDing subtle morphs...

    Without further delay, here are the pictures.














    Anyone have any ideas on this one?
    If he is a normal, he is by far the prettiest one I've ever seen...

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    Re: Normal vs Enchi vs ??

    Looks like a normal to me, very pretty one too

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    Re: Normal vs Enchi vs ??

    Normal, def no Enchi.

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    0.1 Pastel (Kaa)
    1.0 Het Desert Ghost

    0.1 Super Pastel VPI Axanthic Enchi (Jasmin)

    0.1 Black Pastel Mojave
    0.1 Calico Fire
    0.1 Yellow Belly
    0.1 Pinstripe
    0.1 Het Red Axanthic Het Desert Ghost
    1.0 Orange Dream Enchi Fire
    0.1 leatherback hypo Bearded Dragon
    1.0 Purple Motley Suntiger Citron Reticulated
    1.0 Gargoyle Gecko
    1.2 Brazilian Rainbow Boa
    0.0.1 White Tree Frog
    1.0 Green Anaconda
    0.1 Indonesian Frilled Dragon





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    Re: Normal vs Enchi vs ??

    Normals are underrated. He's beautiful.
    BALL PYTHONS: 1.0 Pied/Clark, 1.0 Pastel Vanilla Super Stripe/Sunny, 0.1 Dragon Fly/Buffy, 0.1 Pastel Vanilla Yellow Belly/Cher, 0.1 BEL (Mojave Lesser)/Arya, 0.0.1 Normal/Norm, 0.1 Cinnamon Enchi/Peaches, 1.0 Cinnamon Calico/Yoshi, 0.1 Pewter Het Dreamsicle/Ariel
    BOAS: 0.1 Dumeril's/Memphis, 0.1 BCL/Artemis, 1.0 BCO/Grimm, 0.1 Suriname BCC/Rhubarb
    CORN SNAKES: 0.0.1/Mushu
    MORELIA: 0.1 Bredli/Zelda, 0.1 Granite IJ/Bridget, 0.1 Caramel Diamond Jungle/Pixie

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    Re: Normal vs Enchi vs ??

    No headstamp.
    No defined banding.
    No gold hue.
    I see a little blush coming up from the belly.
    Enchi blush usually spreads through (and fades) the black bands.

    Looks like a 'Normal' to me.


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    Re: Normal vs Enchi vs ??

    I was pretty sure it wasn't actually enchi, though I havent ever seen good pictures of "low expression" ones to be sure.

    Looking it up, he does seem a lot more like orange dream though. Pics 2 and 3 on world of ball pythons are very close to his appearance with the brighter orange colors, light ring of color before going dark throughout the body, and the same sort of slight blushing.

    Also, this one on morph market is eerily similar to how he looks.
    https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rep...pythons/183756

    Adding an older belly shot from before his shed. Nothing too unusual there though.


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    Re: Normal vs Enchi vs ??

    I don't work with Orange Dream, but, I'm told that Orange Dreams have the 'Train Tracks' on the underbelly near the base of the tail that is normally associated with a Pied Marker. It should look similar to this:



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    Normal vs Enchi vs ??

    I work with OD, I don't see OD in this.
    Last edited by bmwood; 03-24-2019 at 08:10 AM.
    0.1 Pastel (Kaa)
    1.0 Het Desert Ghost

    0.1 Super Pastel VPI Axanthic Enchi (Jasmin)

    0.1 Black Pastel Mojave
    0.1 Calico Fire
    0.1 Yellow Belly
    0.1 Pinstripe
    0.1 Het Red Axanthic Het Desert Ghost
    1.0 Orange Dream Enchi Fire
    0.1 leatherback hypo Bearded Dragon
    1.0 Purple Motley Suntiger Citron Reticulated
    1.0 Gargoyle Gecko
    1.2 Brazilian Rainbow Boa
    0.0.1 White Tree Frog
    1.0 Green Anaconda
    0.1 Indonesian Frilled Dragon





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    i still believe that's a LQ Enchi. not Normal IMO and def not OD.
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    Re: Normal vs Enchi vs ??

    Here are a few of the girl he was given to me with. She is supposedly a normal; pet store purchase from the sound of it. Also post-shed, same lighting. Don't mind her body condition too much, she was the true rescue.

    Daylight via window


    Indirect daylight and room lighting



    All fairly true to her colors as well.

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