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Thread: Making a BEL.

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    Yes, because butter = lesser
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    Re: Making a BEL.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShawarmaPoutine View Post
    Deborah, does butter x butter also make BELs with bug eyes?
    Sadly yes as previously answered.
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    Re: Making a BEL.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShawarmaPoutine View Post
    I know quality of the pairs is important. How important though? Does it determine what the offspring look like 50% of the time? 70%?
    100% of the time. These morphs are breed and the best looking ones are breed and so on for many, many years to produce a great looking example. So if u start with the best u can expect the best outcome. Same for the opposite.

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    Re: Making a BEL.

    Quote Originally Posted by Danger noodles View Post
    100% of the time. These morphs are breed and the best looking ones are breed and so on for many, many years to produce a great looking example. So if u start with the best u can expect the best outcome. Same for the opposite.
    I mean is that what the breeding community claims or is it based on science? Let’s say we don’t have access to science. Has been replicated enough to become fact or is there sufficient room for mutations? Forgive my skepticism but literally every single breeder’s bio is “breeding high quality ball pythons” or “building a high quality collection” and so on.

    Will a “low-white” piebald ever create a high-white piebald? Will a terrible quality pastel ever create a high-quality one if bred to a normal?

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    Re: Making a BEL.

    I mean please help me understand how both of these are GHI + Mojave yet look so different:

    1) https://ballpython.ca/portfolio-posts/ghi-mojave/
    2) https://ballpython.ca/portfolio-posts/ghi-mojave-2/

    I mean I can understand that nothing comes out looking the same.. but what the heck is happening here? Is this because one of the parents was a good or bad example of either GHI or Mojave?

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    Not to hijack the thread, but would there be eye issues with a Butter/Lesser x Russo?
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    Re: Making a BEL.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShawarmaPoutine View Post
    I mean please help me understand how both of these are GHI + Mojave yet look so different:

    1) https://ballpython.ca/portfolio-posts/ghi-mojave/
    2) https://ballpython.ca/portfolio-posts/ghi-mojave-2/

    I mean I can understand that nothing comes out looking the same.. but what the heck is happening here? Is this because one of the parents was a good or bad example of either GHI or Mojave?
    They can actually differ that much just like Lesser Leopard combos can as well and it's random for example

    Hypo CG Lesser Leopards from the same clutch





    Lesser Leopards from the same clutch



    Quote Originally Posted by KKM View Post
    Not to hijack the thread, but would there be eye issues with a Butter/Lesser x Russo?
    No
    Deborah Stewart


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    Re: Making a BEL.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deborah View Post
    They can actually differ that much just like Lesser Leopard combos can as well and it's random for example

    Hypo CG Lesser Leopards from the same clutch





    Lesser Leopards from the same clutch



    No
    So Deb,

    What’s your opinion on the importance of the quality of a morph.

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    Re: Making a BEL.

    Quote Originally Posted by ShawarmaPoutine View Post
    So Deb,

    What’s your opinion on the importance of the quality of a morph.
    Selective breeding is very important at the same time with mutations that affect patterns such as GHI and Leopard your outcomes may vary greatly regardless or the sire or dam.

    As a breeder you want a strong foundation which means the best example of an animal you can get, be picky and wait for the right animal to come along, but even than beauty is in the eye of the beholder and is very subjective.
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    Look at JKR’s animals or even Debra’s on MorphMarket and u will see what the outcome of great quality animals.

    To to be completely honest, this isn’t a play around thing breeding animals. If u are this concerned about money and lack the basic knowledge of ball python genetics then u definitely shouldn’t be breeding them. If u are trying to learn then do some research for a few years and you will learn everything that has been said on this thread so true that u will feel silly for questioning it.

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