Super Cinnamon project advice needed

[Kalikat]

I have a project that I want to do that requires a super cinnamon. I know there are potential issues with them so my queation is...should I get two high quality cinnamon's and try for my own super or buy a high quality super from a reputable breeder?

[Roux]

I suppose it depends on your buget and how long you want to wait...and the effort you want to put in. What's your thoughts on that?

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[Kalikat]

My main concern is having healthy defect free snakes to continue the next phase of the project. Meaning no kinks or duckbill.

[Roux]

I don't know if there is a 100% fail safe way to breed them without having defects, some people suggest lower incubation for longer time helps. It doesn't seem like theres a hard and fast proven way yet.
So with that said, i would just buy a super cinny from someone reputable. That way you can inspect the animal and be sure, and then if something is wrong, the breeder would make it right.
Having the super will shorten your wait time and ultimately be cheaper too considering the cost of feeding and housing 2 snakes for 2-3 years before the female can reproduce. Unless you have other plans that a cinny would be useful for.. plus theres the satisfaction of producing your own. But if you have defects theres the sad thing of culling if needed. Really comes down to preference.


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[Lord Sorril]

My main concern is having healthy defect free snakes to continue the next phase of the project. Meaning no kinks or duckbill.

If you buy two snakes to produce a super - you may end up with Duckbilling and/or Kinking in the Super.

If you buy a Super with no issues for a breeding project: you may end up with Duckbilling and/or Kinking genes back in the Super offspring when you outcross and then back/inter-cross.

I would still recommend starting with a Super Cinnamon in good shape because you decrease odds of a genetic pre-condition to those issues.

[Kalikat]

Thanks so much for the advice! Now for the even harder task of finding a breeder who works with them. Might end up having to breed my own after all. If anyone knows someone please pm me.

[Mr.Spence]

Well I'm curious, what is the project, why do you need to start with a super cinnamon?

[Roux]

My guess was grey matters, super cinnamon champagne

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[Stewart_Reptiles]

Regardless of where you start you will deal with malformation/duckbilling that is just the way it is with Super Cinny and Super Black Pastel no matter the lines no matter how much you outcross.

I know many breeders that have stop breeding for super altogether because 2/3 hatchlings will have issues.

If you like dark snakes there are alternatives, and if you want to work with Cinny or Black Pastel you can still do it but I don't recommend Supers.

[Jellybeans]

Choose another morph project.
You ALREADY know the dangers so why even go there. If you put the welfare of the snakes 1st you won't do it. People such as yourself keep wanting to breed certain morphs that shouldn't be bred anymore and I don't care who gets mad that's the way I feel the animals welfare comes first not your profit at their expense!