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    Re: SD Retic

    Quote Originally Posted by bcr229 View Post
    If you want a large lap snake look at a Dumerils boa.
    My Borneo STP is a perfect example of a lap snake. Bloods and STPs may be worth checking out too.
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    Re: SD Retic

    Don't have a SD or D but my retics are energetic and fun experience to have out. They have a mind of their own and are determined sometimes to do what they want. Love them though. Would not change a thing.

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    Re: SD Retic

    Quote Originally Posted by craigafrechette View Post
    My Borneo STP is a perfect example of a lap snake. Bloods and STPs may be worth checking out too.
    I was going to suggest this as well. My blood is more sedentary than my BPs!
    They are a great heavy bodied snake that doesn't get *too* big to handle alone
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    Re: SD Retic

    Iím not really a fan of blood pythons and that type of look. I love retic faces, theyíre so beautiful. Iíll think about it but I think Iíll just stick to boas.


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    Re: SD Retic

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    Iím not really a fan of blood pythons and that type of look. I love retic faces, theyíre so beautiful. Iíll think about it but I think Iíll just stick to boas.


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    There are plenty of Borneo and Sumatran morphs out there now too. Not sure if you meant bloods specifically or short tails in general
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    Sorry I meant short tails in general.


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    Re: SD Retic

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    Yeah I think it would be cool to see him actually move around the cage (unlike my boa) but I want something I can hold too. I can hold my boa for hours and heís very docile but heís always in his hides. I guess that would asking for a perfect world . Unfortunately, I donít want a huge snake so I donít want a Burmese. Thanks everyone, I think Iíll stick to boas unless I just want a display animal.


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    I concur on Carpet Python. Some get big, but several species stay small.

    Irina Jaya's (IJ's) stay small as do Darwin's.

    Yafe, is a mix of both. He shouldn't be longer than about 5-6 feet and probably will be noticeably less thick than a Ball Python. Being a male, 5ft is probably more reasonable. I was told by multiple people that a IJ/Darwin mix could live it's whole life happily in a 3X2' tank. However, they need height as they like to climb and love perches.

    My Boaphile for him is a 4X2X1.5' with 2 perches (2") running from side to side on the tank. He went on a 4X2' tower so I gave him a little extra room. He does use the room and spend 75% of his time out and about as a display snake. At night he's all over the tank and during the day, he's usually on his warm perch.

    Darwin's are know as the most arboreal carpet and IJ's the least. He's pretty arboreal, but will spend time in his hides.

    Of note, Darwin's are more expensive. Both are known to be more docile/placid species even as young ones. However, Carpet's are known to be bitey when young. Yafe hasn't nailed me yet, but likes to his, especially when I try to get him off his perch!

    I've heard 90% of them grow out of it.

    Yafe loves to wrap around my arm and chill, but is more active than a boa by a little bit, I'd say. That doesn't mean he doesn't like to chill, but when he moves, he tends to move faster and a little less relaxed than my two boas.

    Yafe's thread is below, if you want to see what he's about. You can skip more towards the back, as the beginning has a lot of drama. He was very sick when I got him.

    I have heard that Carpet's are not as hardy as Boas, but get a captive bred individual, and meet husbandry requirements, and you should be fine. I don't think they are any worse than a BP, but Boas are pretty tough, especially BCI.

    https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...ression-Thread

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    Re: SD Retic

    Quote Originally Posted by dakski View Post
    I concur on Carpet Python. Some get big, but several species stay small.

    Irina Jaya's (IJ's) stay small as do Darwin's.

    Yafe, is a mix of both. He shouldn't be longer than about 5-6 feet and probably will be noticeably less thick than a Ball Python. Being a male, 5ft is probably more reasonable. I was told by multiple people that a IJ/Darwin mix could live it's whole life happily in a 3X2' tank. However, they need height as they like to climb and love perches.

    My Boaphile for him is a 4X2X1.5' with 2 perches (2") running from side to side on the tank. He went on a 4X2' tower so I gave him a little extra room. He does use the room and spend 75% of his time out and about as a display snake. At night he's all over the tank and during the day, he's usually on his warm perch.

    Darwin's are know as the most arboreal carpet and IJ's the least. He's pretty arboreal, but will spend time in his hides.

    Of note, Darwin's are more expensive. Both are known to be more docile/placid species even as young ones. However, Carpet's are known to be bitey when young. Yafe hasn't nailed me yet, but likes to his, especially when I try to get him off his perch!

    I've heard 90% of them grow out of it.

    Yafe loves to wrap around my arm and chill, but is more active than a boa by a little bit, I'd say. That doesn't mean he doesn't like to chill, but when he moves, he tends to move faster and a little less relaxed than my two boas.

    Yafe's thread is below, if you want to see what he's about. You can skip more towards the back, as the beginning has a lot of drama. He was very sick when I got him.

    I have heard that Carpet's are not as hardy as Boas, but get a captive bred individual, and meet husbandry requirements, and you should be fine. I don't think they are any worse than a BP, but Boas are pretty tough, especially BCI.

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    Dakski, you may be slightly mistaken about a couple of points.

    IJ's are quite similar (habit wise) to Darwins. IJ's are the only carpet species that don't live in Australia (New Guinea). Both however display semi arboreal characteristics so do coastals and jungles. The whole species in general is semi arboreal.

    Python Spilotus Imbricatus (Southwestern carpet python) inhabits treeless areas with just thick shrubs about half a meter high for cover. They nest and live in rock crevices. Mostly a terrestrial carpet python in many areas. So they would be considered "less arboreal". That is likely due to habitat not because they won't climb.

    Another common mistake people make about carpets is in regard to sexual size dimorphism. Male carpets, in the wild, will be the larger of the two sexes generally, in the species that engage in pre-mating combat. In captivity things likely will even out, but a male coastal or Darwin doesn't guarantee it will be smaller than a female.

    If you are into carpets, read THE COMPLETE CARPET PYTHON by Nick Mutton and Justin Julander. It is a fantastic book.

    I also find carpets every bit as hardy as boas, with the exception of the diamond which has some specific care requirements that need to be met.

    Back to topic, OP, you certainly can find a SD that will behave differently than mine, as every individual is different.

    A total lap snake is probably less of a display snake so you have to think about what you want most.

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    Re: SD Retic

    Quote Originally Posted by Gio View Post
    Dakski, you may be slightly mistaken about a couple of points.

    IJ's are quite similar (habit wise) to Darwins. IJ's are the only carpet species that don't live in Australia (New Guinea). Both however display semi arboreal characteristics so do coastals and jungles. The whole species in general is semi arboreal.

    Python Spilotus Imbricatus (Southwestern carpet python) inhabits treeless areas with just thick shrubs about half a meter high for cover. They nest and live in rock crevices. Mostly a terrestrial carpet python in many areas. So they would be considered "less arboreal". That is likely due to habitat not because they won't climb.

    Another common mistake people make about carpets is in regard to sexual size dimorphism. Male carpets, in the wild, will be the larger of the two sexes generally, in the species that engage in pre-mating combat. In captivity things likely will even out, but a male coastal or Darwin doesn't guarantee it will be smaller than a female.

    If you are into carpets, read THE COMPLETE CARPET PYTHON by Nick Mutton and Justin Julander. It is a fantastic book.

    I also find carpets every bit as hardy as boas, with the exception of the diamond which has some specific care requirements that need to be met.

    Back to topic, OP, you certainly can find a SD that will behave differently than mine, as every individual is different.

    A total lap snake is probably less of a display snake so you have to think about what you want most.
    Gio,

    I read that book and have it, but I thought I remembered, apparently wrong, that IJ's were more ground dwelling and Darwin's more arboreal. My apologies if I mixed that up. Yafe spends a lot of time, as stated earlier, in his perches. So I am not sure what that means regarding the differences between the two.

    Thank you for the correction.

    I also agree that display and lap snake don't necessarily go together, but find, with my limited experience, that Yafe, my carpet, is happy to be some of both.

    Regarding health, I've heard numerous stories from different breeders about Boas, especially BCI, being quite hardy and have been told by others, including the breeder I got Yafe from, that Carpets can be less so. I am biased as Yafe was very sick when I got him after getting lost by fedex for 14 hours.

    The breeder swore he was fine when he left and I am inclined to believe them for a variety of reasons.

    That breeder said that with the morphs and hybrids (IJ/Darwin for example) they have found that some tend to be weaker immune wise.

    Again, not trying to be argumentative, but rather, explaining my perspective.

    Regarding size difference between male and female, I appreciate the clarification.

    Take care and be well.

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    Re: SD Retic

    Quote Originally Posted by dakski View Post
    Gio,

    I read that book and have it, but I thought I remembered, apparently wrong, that IJ's were more ground dwelling and Darwin's more arboreal. My apologies if I mixed that up. Yafe spends a lot of time, as stated earlier, in his perches. So I am not sure what that means regarding the differences between the two.

    Thank you for the correction.

    I also agree that display and lap snake don't necessarily go together, but find, with my limited experience, that Yafe, my carpet, is happy to be some of both.

    Regarding health, I've heard numerous stories from different breeders about Boas, especially BCI, being quite hardy and have been told by others, including the breeder I got Yafe from, that Carpets can be less so. I am biased as Yafe was very sick when I got him after getting lost by fedex for 14 hours.

    The breeder swore he was fine when he left and I am inclined to believe them for a variety of reasons.

    That breeder said that with the morphs and hybrids (IJ/Darwin for example) they have found that some tend to be weaker immune wise.

    Again, not trying to be argumentative, but rather, explaining my perspective.

    Regarding size difference between male and female, I appreciate the clarification.

    Take care and be well.

    David
    Excellent response! The reason I said you "may be mistaken" was because I figured you mixed things up and just posted wrong.

    No worries, I've made mistakes here and the fact you have the book, makes me fairly sure you are pretty well versed on the species.

    Boas and carpets are 50-50 for me. I love both species and find the care requirements daily similar.

    Unfortunately you had a rough go to start off with your carpet, however they tend to be a pretty easy keep.

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