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    Pattern mutations?

    Are there any pattern mutations out there besides Calico/ Sugar/ Bubblegum etc. that wash away/ blow out the pattern? Iím still trying to figure out what is going on with a few holdbacks from last year.

    Here is a pretty good example of what Iím looking at:

    The side pattern is there, then just washed away. Itís like this in multiple places on her.

    Here is another from a different clutch:

    Maybe just extreme flames going on??
    Hard to capture how orange they are and getting brighter every shed.
    No Orange Dream or Enchi in the pairing. First pic I believe is a Firefly Yellowbelly Het Pied. Second pic should only be a Firefly YB or Superfly YB.

    Any input/pics are appreciated.


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    Pattern mutations?

    It seems pretty common among ball pythons. Iíve seen all kinds of morphs that get faded, pixelated or washed out on the sides. Itís one of the things like about them, how their crazy colors fade to white belly.


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    Pretty common?? Iíve been searching for months trying to find matches or something close. These started super blushed/ washed out, just turning more orange as they age.

    They look nothing like what they are ďsupposed ď to look like. Any comparison pics would be greatly appreciated.

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    Re: Pattern mutations?

    Just looking at MM I came across this from NERD.


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    are you just talking about high flames washing out pattern?
    here's a low exp pastel het pied I produced in '17 with high flames washing out color, not sure if that is what you mean? If so, I suspect it's the het pied influence
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    Re: Pattern mutations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jbabycsx View Post
    Just looking at MM I came across this from NERD.


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    Yeah check out all the genes involved to make that snake.

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    Re: Pattern mutations?

    Quote Originally Posted by AbsoluteApril View Post
    are you just talking about high flames washing out pattern?
    here's a low exp pastel het pied I produced in '17 with high flames washing out color, not sure if that is what you mean? If so, I suspect it's the het pied influence
    What Iím looking at is the ďalien headĒ patterns get cut off halfway to the belly. Yours is very beautiful with consistent flames and alien heads. On some of the babies I produced last season the pattern is all over the place. Itís there, then erased and back again.

    Het pied could be the main influence in the first pic, but no het pied in the second pic.

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    Re: Pattern mutations?

    Hereís another pic. No het pied influence. Pairing was what I believe to be a Firefly Yellowbelly x Pastel.

    See how the spots at the belly from the YB influence are there, then erased and back again. Just seems odd to me and havenít found really anything else out there thatís similar.

    Just looking for insight/answers. The sire that produced all my clutches this season was sold to me as a super pastel yb, but proved last year not to be the case. Iím not exactly sure what all heís carrying. Hopefully this season Iíll have some answers.


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    Re: Pattern mutations?

    I remember this post from a while back. The last reptile expo I attended I saw this same patterning effect at one of the tables and made a mental note based on the previous questions/photos you had shown.

    Working 60+ hrs/week for many months--I can't remember much of anything now: I do remember it was an odd two gene interaction and one of the genes was one that I had no interest in. It may have been Specter, but, I cannot recall.
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    Re: Pattern mutations?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Sorril View Post
    I remember this post from a while back. The last reptile expo I attended I saw this same patterning effect at one of the tables and made a mental note based on the previous questions/photos you had shown.

    Working 60+ hrs/week for many months--I can't remember much of anything now: I do remember it was an odd two gene interaction and one of the genes was one that I had no interest in. It may have been Specter, but, I cannot recall.
    Thatís what Iím wondering. Maybe the sire is not a YB, but something in the same complex?? I heard a lot of the YBís where I got my sire from were produced from pumaís, so he could be a spark instead.

    I have him paired to a Puma, Enchi, and a dark normal this season. Really hoping the Puma lays this season. It would really help me with some answers, or confuse me even more......

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