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    Pairing BEL with Banana glow..

    What would The off-spring be of this combo?

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    I'm assuming you mean either banana or coral glow to a BEL complex animal.

    Depending on the BEL it would be one of the two BEL genes either by itself or crossed with banana/coral glow.

    So a Mojave/Lesser BEL crossed to a Banana would yield a 25% chance of each combo below:

    Lesser

    Mojave

    Banana Lesser

    Banana Mojave


    But that would change depending on what two genes made the BEL. I say that because these genes:

    Bamboo,
    Butter/Lesser (platinum),
    Mojave,
    Russo,
    Phantom,
    Mystic,
    Mocha,
    and Special

    will all make a BEL when combined in almost* any combination.

    Some look better than others, (Mojave/Lesser), and some have pattern and are not quite BEL's such as Mystic Potion or Crystal.

    But there is a lot that could happen depending on the BEL variety.

    Does that answer your question? Or was I too confusing? Cause I know it's a lot to take in.

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    Re: Pairing BEL with Banana glow..

    No it was very helpful.
    Having no idea what the HET is for each parent I guess there's really no way of knowing what The offspring could look like
    Could be like a box of chocolates huh
    Quote Originally Posted by RXLReptiles View Post
    I'm assuming you mean either banana or coral glow to a BEL complex animal.

    Depending on the BEL it would be one of the two BEL genes either by itself or crossed with banana/coral glow.

    So a Mojave/Lesser BEL crossed to a Banana would yield a 25% chance of each combo below:

    Lesser

    Mojave

    Banana Lesser

    Banana Mojave


    But that would change depending on what two genes made the BEL. I say that because these genes:

    Bamboo,
    Butter/Lesser (platinum),
    Mojave,
    Russo,
    Phantom,
    Mystic,
    Mocha,
    and Special

    will all make a BEL when combined in almost* any combination.

    Some look better than others, (Mojave/Lesser), and some have pattern and are not quite BEL's such as Mystic Potion or Crystal.

    But there is a lot that could happen depending on the BEL variety.

    Does that answer your question? Or was I too confusing? Cause I know it's a lot to take in.
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    Re: Pairing BEL with Banana glow..

    Quote Originally Posted by Jellybeans View Post
    Having no idea what the HET is for each parent
    None of the genes you are asking about are recessive so there is no het in question, they either are or they are not

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    Re: Pairing BEL with Banana glow..

    Quote Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl View Post
    None of the genes you are asking about are recessive so there is no het in question, they either are or they are not
    I think what jellybeans is referring to is the individual co-doms that make up the BEL complex animal, on a technicality co-doms are technically "hets" for the super form, in that they are a single copy of a gene. And since BEL complex animals are an allelic combo, they do require 2 "hets" to create the homozygous BEL super form.

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    Re: Pairing BEL with Banana glow..

    Quote Originally Posted by RXLReptiles View Post
    I think what jellybeans is referring to is the individual co-doms that make up the BEL complex animal, on a technicality co-doms are technically "hets" for the super form, in that they are a single copy of a gene. And since BEL complex animals are an allelic combo, they do require 2 "hets" to create the homozygous BEL super form.
    Jellybeans is 100% correct.

    The technicality is whether one uses standard genetics definitions or the corrupt herper definitions.

    In standard genetics, a homozygous animal has a homozygous gene pair--a gene pair made up of two copies of the same gene, and a heterozygous ("het") animal has a heterozygous gene pair--a gene pair made up of two different genes. For example, a normal gene and an albino gene, a pinstripe gene and a normal gene and a lesser gene and a mojave gene are heterozygous gene pairs.

    In the herper genetics definition a heterozygous gene pair is also made up of two different genes, but they are a normal gene and a recessive mutant gene. By this definition only the normal gene and the albino gene make a heterozygous gene pair.

    For what it's worth, the standard genetics definitions are easier to use than the herper definitions.

    The simplest het lesser ball python has a lesser gene paired with the corresponding normal gene. Crossing two of these het lessers is one way to produce a homozygous (AKA super) lesser ball python. There are other ways, such as crossing two homozygous lessers. And crossing a homozygous lesser to a homozygous mojave is one way to produce a BEL that is heterozygous because the gene pair is made up of a lesser gene and a mojave gene.

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    Re: Pairing BEL with Banana glow..

    Quote Originally Posted by paulh View Post
    Jellybeans is 100% correct.

    The technicality is whether one uses standard genetics definitions or the corrupt herper definitions.

    In standard genetics, a homozygous animal has a homozygous gene pair--a gene pair made up of two copies of the same gene, and a heterozygous ("het") animal has a heterozygous gene pair--a gene pair made up of two different genes. For example, a normal gene and an albino gene, a pinstripe gene and a normal gene and a lesser gene and a mojave gene are heterozygous gene pairs.

    In the herper genetics definition a heterozygous gene pair is also made up of two different genes, but they are a normal gene and a recessive mutant gene. By this definition only the normal gene and the albino gene make a heterozygous gene pair.

    For what it's worth, the standard genetics definitions are easier to use than the herper definitions.

    The simplest het lesser ball python has a lesser gene paired with the corresponding normal gene. Crossing two of these het lessers is one way to produce a homozygous (AKA super) lesser ball python. There are other ways, such as crossing two homozygous lessers. And crossing a homozygous lesser to a homozygous mojave is one way to produce a BEL that is heterozygous because the gene pair is made up of a lesser gene and a mojave gene.
    I think I need to take a class on this. Lol

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    Re: Pairing BEL with Banana glow..

    Quote Originally Posted by paulh View Post
    Jellybeans is 100% correct.

    The technicality is whether one uses standard genetics definitions or the corrupt herper definitions.

    In standard genetics, a homozygous animal has a homozygous gene pair--a gene pair made up of two copies of the same gene, and a heterozygous ("het") animal has a heterozygous gene pair--a gene pair made up of two different genes. For example, a normal gene and an albino gene, a pinstripe gene and a normal gene and a lesser gene and a mojave gene are heterozygous gene pairs.

    In the herper genetics definition a heterozygous gene pair is also made up of two different genes, but they are a normal gene and a recessive mutant gene. By this definition only the normal gene and the albino gene make a heterozygous gene pair.

    For what it's worth, the standard genetics definitions are easier to use than the herper definitions.

    The simplest het lesser ball python has a lesser gene paired with the corresponding normal gene. Crossing two of these het lessers is one way to produce a homozygous (AKA super) lesser ball python. There are other ways, such as crossing two homozygous lessers. And crossing a homozygous lesser to a homozygous mojave is one way to produce a BEL that is heterozygous because the gene pair is made up of a lesser gene and a mojave gene.
    Yes correct on the scientific and technical side.
    Problem is that I am tired of seeing idiots selling normals claiming they are HET dom/co-dom gene. Seems to be a growing problem.

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    Re: Pairing BEL with Banana glow..

    Yes. I agree
    Quote Originally Posted by PitOnTheProwl View Post
    Yes correct on the scientific and technical side.
    Problem is that I am tired of seeing idiots selling normals claiming they are HET dom/co-dom gene. Seems to be a growing problem.
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