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    I'm SO sorry that all this is still not behind you, Katie & most of all Yafe. It's not fair.... but I grudgingly agree with what the breeder said...it's true of
    purebred dogs too, for example, & it's why I favor snakes that are normals or not so far from it...nature sorts this stuff out. But do wait & confer with your
    trusted vet & all that...hugs!

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    Re: Yafe - Albino Carpet - FINAL - Progression Thread

    I'm at the barn and can't write a lot just now.

    There are many morphs of that kind that are perfectly happy and healthy.

    Ive said it before and will say it again. Test for Nido. It's known for lingering RI's and neurological issues and weakness.

    It's far more widespread and ESP. in Morelia then previously thought.

    A breeder I've thought had never ever had it...just admitted they did. And sold animals because they said they thought it was done with. One of those animals had it.

    Some test every animal. Some just sell. Not all purposely do or even know. Some rather not test and hope for the best. Some sell Hatchlings from infected parents. Supposed to not cross into the Hatchlings.

    I am NOT saying this is what it is. But with all you've done this far. Why not find out for sure. You have other animals and despite best of quarantine...this is one thing I would want to rule out for peace of mind.

    I'm so sorry to hear this. Still hope it's just a hickup during recovery..


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    Re: Yafe - Albino Carpet - FINAL - Progression Thread

    So sorry to hear this has come back. Prayers for all three of you.
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    Re: Yafe - Albino Carpet - FINAL - Progression Thread

    Yafe hasn't eaten since 12/11/18. He refused a mouse on 12/16/18, having coiled and then dropped and never ate. He also refused a rat fuzzy on 12/20/18, doing the same thing; striking and coiling, but leaving it and not eating.

    Tonight, I offered a rat fuzzy again. Again, he struck and coiled.

    However, tonight, he also ATE IT!

    I don't know what to make of this guy. He's up, he's down, he's up, he's down. WOW. What a roller coaster. Either way, I hope this gives him some strength.

    Thank you for all the comments and support, especially on the holiday. It means a lot. I will continue to keep everyone in the loop.

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    Re: Yafe - Albino Carpet - FINAL - Progression Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by dakski View Post
    Yafe hasn't eaten since 12/11/18. He refused a mouse on 12/16/18, having coiled and then dropped and never ate. He also refused a rat fuzzy on 12/20/18, doing the same thing; striking and coiling, but leaving it and not eating.

    Tonight, I offered a rat fuzzy again. Again, he struck and coiled.

    However, tonight, he also ATE IT!

    I don't know what to make of this guy. He's up, he's down, he's up, he's down. WOW. What a roller coaster. Either way, I hope this gives him some strength.

    Thank you for all the comments and support, especially on the holiday. It means a lot. I will continue to keep everyone in the loop.
    Woohoo, go Yafe! It's possible his wonky appetite is because he's still recovering (hopefully not getting sick again). Then again, he could just be a fussy eater. I know we don't normally think of carpets as fussy, but I think a couple of members on here have had them be that way off and on.

    Our Bredli is like a garbage disposal. But if it makes you feel any better, our IJ... not so much. She's 2 for 4 on meals so far. I'm not too concerned yet, but it will be nice if we can get her eating more reliably.

    Here's hoping for good health for Yafe and to establishing a consistent eating pattern in the New Year.
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    Re: Yafe - Albino Carpet - FINAL - Progression Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by dakski View Post
    Yafe hasn't eaten since 12/11/18. He refused a mouse on 12/16/18, having coiled and then dropped and never ate. He also refused a rat fuzzy on 12/20/18, doing the same thing; striking and coiling, but leaving it and not eating.

    Tonight, I offered a rat fuzzy again. Again, he struck and coiled.

    However, tonight, he also ATE IT!

    I don't know what to make of this guy. He's up, he's down, he's up, he's down. WOW. What a roller coaster. Either way, I hope this gives him some strength.

    Thank you for all the comments and support, especially on the holiday. It means a lot. I will continue to keep everyone in the loop.
    Hooray!!!

    Well that's really only 2 weeks then, since he ate previously...all things considered that's not half-bad! He's still getting his digestion up & running after not eating
    for so long. I suspect he's doing the best he can, even though it's driving you crazy, as it would any of us, wanting to see faster progress. (Did you ever get any
    Bene-Bac into him? Might run it by your vet too, I don't recall now if you mentioned that?)

    I'm sorry that in my earlier post I absorbed too much of your disappointment & negativity, and I'm glad that zina10 reminded you to test for Nido, I'd forgotton
    about that too. It would still be really nice if he'd stay asymptomatic though...hang in there!

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    Re: Yafe - Albino Carpet - FINAL - Progression Thread

    That's really good news Dave yafe ate again , as said may be just a picky eater, some snakes are


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    Glad he ate again. Hopefully he can finally kick what has been bothering him.
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    Re: Yafe - Albino Carpet - FINAL - Progression Thread

    So glad he ate for you Dave and I hope he stays on the path of wellness. After fighting thru that RI his appetite probably just hasn't kicked into full gear yet. My female albino carpet was really finicky at first too. It took months before she would eat consistently. When I offered food more frequently she refused more often. Once I started offering food every 3 weeks she started eating more regularly. Then she would eat every 2 weeks and now she eats anything on tongs/anytime. I'm confident Yafe will be eating like a typical carpet real soon.
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    Re: Yafe - Albino Carpet - FINAL - Progression Thread

    Yafe is moving!

    Yafe's Boaphile 4X2X1.5' Arboreal Tank came the other day and the reptile area is all setup (except for Ferry and Ezzy's tanks - due in about 5 weeks). The tank is dialed in and he is moving today.

    In talking with the vet, Don Soderberg (from South Mountain Reptiles and Solana's breeder), and Jeff Ronne, my tank builder, and Boa breeder (aka: The Boaphile), the consensus is that if he still had an active infection, he would have gotten worse by now.

    The facts PROS:

    1. Yafe has ZERO mucus discharge.

    2. When resting, he has no audible popping or wheezing.

    3. HE EATS!

    4. He rests with his head down, not elevated or raised.

    5. He is active, especially at night, being nocturnal. He climbs, he goes from warm side to cool side, etc.

    6. He urinates, urates, and poops, normally.

    7. He is calm, and frankly, a delight, when being held, at least initially.


    The facts CONS:

    1. When held for any prolonged period, he starts to pop and becomes noticeably uncomfortable over time. So, he is still showing some symptoms. I will point out that I've only held 2X in the past month (and not in 10 days), so there is limited data here.

    2. He has struck and coiled, but refused to eat two meals. However, that could be because they were given too close together and have nothing to do with feeling ill.


    No one thinks he is still contagious, or if he is, that it is airborne. The belief is also that if it were Nido, or something terrible, it would have gotten much worse by now, or killed him; it's been 3 months. He also would not have responded positively, even if it took some time, to antibiotics.

    Further, the symptoms can be caused by the need for residual healing and/or scarring in the lung. It is unclear whether this will improve with time. He also has not shed yet. When he does, that might help clear up anything in his nostrils, etc.

    I am concerned that there is some lung scarring. In people, that rarely gets much better or heals completely, but not sure how that works in reptiles.

    What is clear is that he needs a stable and appropriate environment for him to heal. The quarantine 10G tank he is in now is okay for temps (with CHE and UTH thermostat controlled), but not ideal for humidity and it's been a tough battle now that it's winter. He needs a consistent temp and humidity environment to be comfortable and hopefully continue to heal.

    For all those reasons, we are moving him into his tank tonight and I will post pictures later or tomorrow.

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