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    Paradox genetics

    Iíve done some posting on FB with this topic and some research myself. What are peopleís thoughts on the genetics for Paradox? I want this to be an open discussion but would prefer if people werenít just repeating what they have heard and talking more from experience. Iíll start there and add more later.
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    i still think it's random and not genetic. the morph traits (for example, the Lesser or Mojave genes in a BEL) may be passed on, but not the paradoxing itself.

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    Re: Paradox genetics

    Quote Originally Posted by Ax01 View Post
    i still think it's random and not genetic. the morph traits (for example, the Lesser or Mojave genes in a BEL) may be passed on, but not the paradoxing itself.

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    Ok so, everything is either genetic or environmental. My first one hatched is my picture by my name.
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    Re: Paradox genetics

    I think it's just random but it does seem certain morphs have more paradox markings pop up more frequently. That may be because they are morphs I tend to look up more often or that they are more popular genes in general.

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    Re: Paradox genetics

    Figured out pictures I think.
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    Re: Paradox genetics

    Hatched the bigger male last year Butter x Butter and the female this year Bamboo x Butter same mom different dads.
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    Re: Paradox genetics

    Paradox is random. Take a look at my Great Dane. She is a double Merle gene. The Merle gene is like albianoism. In a few small places she has pigment that expressed dispite her genetics. This is not something you can breed for. Is random. Now the real question is, is the entire body homogeneous geneticist in paradoxes or do they have incomplete homogeneous in the places where it is expressed differently?

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    Re: Paradox genetics

    Quote Originally Posted by Skyrivers View Post
    Paradox is random. Take a look at my Great Dane. She is a double Merle gene. The Merle gene is like albianoism. In a few small places she has pigment that expressed dispite her genetics. This is not something you can breed for. Is random. Now the real question is, is the entire body homogeneous geneticist in paradoxes or do they have incomplete homogeneous in the places where it is expressed differently?

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    If it is random as you say, what are the chances that I produced two from the same mom back to back years from different dads? Thatís like hitting the lottery twice in one week. Talking with my Vet, she says itís probably an Incomplete Dominant trait. Possibly only noticeable when there is a reduction or deletion of pigmentation.
    Also to be clear I believe that several of the phenotypes that people call Paradox are from unrelated genetics. I wouldnít call these a paradox more just how the Cinnamon gene interacts with other genes.
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    Re: Paradox genetics

    Quote Originally Posted by Ax01 View Post
    i still think it's random and not genetic. the morph traits (for example, the Lesser or Mojave genes in a BEL) may be passed on, but not the paradoxing itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LotsaBalls View Post
    Ok so, everything is either genetic or environmental. My first one hatched is my picture by my name.
    i think there are variables in the environment that could be at play. for example, temp spikes during incubation could have an impact. how did u incubate, what temps and for how long?

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    If it is random as you say, what are the chances that I produced two from the same mom back to back years from different dads? That’s like hitting the lottery twice in one week. Talking with my Vet, she says it’s probably an Incomplete Dominant trait. Possibly only noticeable when there is a reduction or deletion of pigmentation.
    Also to be clear I believe that several of the phenotypes that people call Paradox are from unrelated genetics.
    IIRC there is an incomplete dominant trait called Whitewash that creates a paradox like effect. this is different from your animals or mine or anyone else's which is unexplainable w/ current genetics. i think u should give your Butter girl time off and try for another paradox in a year or two. try pairing he to another BEL animal? maybe Mojave this time? it would be a true jackpot if she proves 3 in a row.


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    I wouldn’t call these a paradox more just how the Cinnamon gene interacts with other genes.
    yeah, i wouldn't call that paradoxing. Super Cinny's are known for their splotching and flecking. it becomes more obvious when u add Albino to make a Cue Ball (or Blizzard) when u have a white snake w/ just yellow/orange splotches and flecks. my friend Taylor has a Super Cinny w/ what i believe is true paradoxing. it's small but it's there towards the tail: https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...ression-thread
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    Re: Paradox genetics

    Quote Originally Posted by Ax01 View Post
    i think there are variables in the environment that could be at play. for example, temp spikes during incubation could have an impact. how did u incubate, what temps and for how long?


    IIRC there is an incomplete dominant trait called Whitewash that creates a paradox like effect. this is different from your animals or mine or anyone else's which is unexplainable w/ current genetics. i think u should give your Butter girl time off and try for another paradox in a year or two. try pairing he to another BEL animal? maybe Mojave this time? it would be a true jackpot if she proves 3 in a row.


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    yeah, i wouldn't call that paradoxing. Super Cinny's are known for their splotching and flecking. it becomes more obvious when u add Albino to make a Cue Ball (or Blizzard) when u have a white snake w/ just yellow/orange splotches and flecks. my friend Taylor has a Super Cinny w/ what i believe is true paradoxing. it's small but it's there towards the tail: https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...ression-thread
    My Cue girls speckling is really noticeable

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