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    Re: Hot owners in LA\MS

    Quote Originally Posted by Jnksnakes View Post
    ...My next buy will be a Gaboon Viper. I'd really rather learn more about the venomous trade before just jumping into one of those. Need to learn the proper hook techniques, how they approach feeding, opening enclosure safely etc. Things I would REALLY like to learn before owning one....
    It's really NOT a matter that you should take so lightly...your life depends on you learning first, not just taking the plunge. We don't need to read about you in the
    paper. And you should get your affairs in order too, by the way...no one ever thinks THEY will end up in the hospital or worse. Gaboons are not a good one to start
    with as they aren't native species so in the event you get bit, hospitals aren't equipped to be as helpful as you'd expect. They also get large...

    I guess you had no luck contacting Neal (?) but I'm not surprised: as already mentioned, responsible keepers have to be wary as there are "all types" with the same line.
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    Yeah, Gaboon viper seems a crazy first choice. Extremely agressive, massive fangs and VERY hot venom. Maybe start with something less aggressive,that likes to be shy and hide away like a copperhead type viper?

    I don't know, I have no experience handling hots, and I never will! lol
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    Re: Hot owners in LA\MS

    Quote Originally Posted by Godzilla78 View Post
    Yeah, Gaboon viper seems a crazy first choice. Extremely agressive, massive fangs and VERY hot venom. Maybe start with something less aggressive,that likes to be shy and hide away like a copperhead type viper?

    I don't know, I have no experience handling hots, and I never will! lol
    Gaboon vipers are actually ambush predators that have killed owners who underestimated them because they sit still for so long...but they can sure move when they
    want to. And their venom, delivered via long fangs, is nothing to fool with. A cottonmouth or copperhead would be a better start, but even then, WHY do you want
    venomous at all? What's the point? (Why do so many feel they have something to "prove"?)

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    IMO i think Jnksnakes is moving way too fast in this hobby. he needs to slow down and learn how to provide better care for his current animals before he takes the deep dive into hots (or breeding): https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...ion-Photo-Spam (ask a Mod/Admin for access to QT if u can't see the thread)
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    I also think anyone who “can’t afford a hospital visit” better not get a snake that can easily send you to the hospital....
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    Re: Hot owners in LA\MS

    Quote Originally Posted by Phillydubs View Post
    I also think anyone who “can’t afford a hospital visit” better not get a snake that can easily send you to the hospital....
    Well said.

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    Gaboons are really placid for a viper... until they're not, they move so fast when they decide to strike that there really is no warning.

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    I've said this before but maybe it bears repeating? I worked with hots (mostly rattlesnakes) for 20 SAFE years...but it wasn't BECAUSE they were venomous-

    it was IN SPITE of the fact. When I was first offered one that needed re-homed, I honestly wasn't interested...but then I did some research & took it on, mostly

    because they were local native species that wandered into people's yards and usually got killed for their "mistake". I wanted to help them survive and for my

    neighbors NOT to get injured trying to move or kill them. I ended up rescuing & relocating rattlesnakes, & doing local educational programs ONLY with those that

    weren't releasable. And I ended up very fond of rattlesnakes, I'll admit...but I don't recommend them as "pets"...there's no good reason to have a "pet" that you

    cannot interact with, that you won't easily find ANY vet to help you should they have health problems (you have to be prepared to do it yourself!) & you must be

    a very responsible* person to ensure that nothing goes wrong- no escapes ever, that you aren't getting bit & making the news as yet another reason for the public

    to pass more restrictive laws that affects ALL of us keeping ANY kind of snakes...& you darn well better not be using up the local zoo's supply of emergency anti-

    venin for your dumb mistakes! Add to that the cost of medical care if-when you get bit- (how much medical & life insurance do you have?) and be prepared to not

    have any homeowner's insurance if-when your current company finds out what you're doing. Or, if you are renting...be prepared to be evicted! That's even without

    taking into account local laws you may be violating. (city, state, county, federal, Fish & Game) *By "responsible" I mean one that NEVER works with these snakes

    when tired, distracted (w/ friends etc etc), feeling ill, or under ANY influence (drugs or alcohol) in ANY amount. There is a reason that statistics show most venomous

    bites happen to young males in our society....they are usually showing off.


    I'm sorry to say this but the very fact that the OP wants to start off with a Gaboon Viper strongly suggests they are lacking the maturity that all responsible hot

    keepers will want to see before helping the OP achieve their mission. Starting with a Gaboon Viper is the sign of a person that's in a hurry, one that's over-con-

    fident in their ability...and that can ONLY be another black eye for responsible snake keepers.

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    Jnksnakes, I'd imagine that the friends you hang with now will be impressed if you get a "hot"...and I've little doubt that somewhere there is an unscrupulous
    source who will sell you one. But please just ask yourself this: if (when) you get bit & lose a hand, let's say, are these friends still going to think you're cool?
    And will they still be around to help you get thru life with only one hand? And will this help you date the ones you're attracted to? or will it turn them off?
    You don't have to answer here...just think about it, okay?

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    Bogertophis is making great and careful points to really think about. Accidents happen. You never know when things can go wrong and when they do, it can all go south real fast. If you ever get bit you have to think how it will impact your family as well. It will be a very terrifying day when your wife and kids see you being rushed to the hospital.

    Just really, really slow down and think about this carefully. Don't be too ambitious too fast.
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