cool snake dayyy!

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Oh my god I LOVE THAT CAT SNAKE

Oh no what have you done now I have another on my list!!!

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As it turns out they're venomous. Maybe they're not on my list, lol. Stunning snakes though!

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[Bogertophis]

Congratulations on your Pituophis pick-up. I predict it won't be your last. I've loved & bred both bull & gopher snakes in the past, they're tough &
awesome, yet make excellent pets that are handleable, easy to feed & stay a good size. A friend of mine had pine snakes too. They're also active
during the day, which is cool. The hatchlings tend to be sassy little things, & some can be bitey for a while, but over-all these are intelligent snakes
and hisses don't mean a whole lot. I found that even my huge bull snakes "changed gears" pretty easily: by that I mean I could feed them &
yet shortly afterwards identify myself & pick them up so I could perhaps clean their cage, without them going all "prey drive" on me. Plus, they
easily accept frozen/thawed rodents...or a chick if you run out of rodents. Not fussy!

For those of you who are used to BPs though, these are active snakes. They actively hunt their prey, not ambush predators that sit & wait, so they
need large living quarters & even with that can be "pushy" in the cage. (as in nose rubs) Also do best with good ventilation and less cage heat.
UTH is best for them. Their cage conditions are far easier to meet (IMO) than BPs, unless you have no space for a larger cage.

[redshepherd]

Thanks guys!!

I am kinda curious about the Northern Pine snakes, but every time I watch a video of them they are all hissy and aggressive. I know Emily of the Snake Discovery channel breeds them and loves them all dearly. Your little girl is beautiful and I hope she stays mellow for you. Please keep us posted with her progress..

I actually wonder that too, and it seems it just depends on the individual or maybe even the genetics of the breeding? All the ones I held from Genesis' clutch were tame, some constantly on the move and trying to go somewhere, while Genesis herself just sat in my hand and looked around tongue-flicking! None of them hissed or put on defensive displays. The adult the breeder had was also described to be very tame.
And that's cool, I didn't realize she bred pine snakes too! I wonder if they're northerns or another subspecies?

And thanks, I will post updates!

On another note, super cool new pickup!!! It's not a King, and I'm not going to say I told you so, buuuut...I told you so!!! Hahahaha! In all serious, super cool addition to an already diverse and cool collection!

Thanks!! Okay craig, you got me... LOL. I literally am incapable of going to a show without getting a snake (Vigil, Pixie, and Genesis all from shows).

[redshepherd]

Looks like there were some really neat snakes at that show Red and you definitely picked a beauty. I love pits. They'll huff and puff a little as babies but after a few meals he'll be fine. I'd advise feeding them a little bit heavier than kings or corns. These guys are strictly business when it comes to food. Very fun snakes.

I've read that about their feeding tendencies too, and I definitely will be aware especially as she gets bigger LOL!

As it turns out they're venomous. Maybe they're not on my list, lol. Stunning snakes though!

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Well, they are rear-fanged, so not exactly a true "venomous". Just don't let them take their time and chew on you! Lol

[Spoons]

Very true, and while I'll risk that with a snake like a hognose, even the Wikipedia article on cat snakes says that the venom and effects on humans for cat snakes isn't well understood. I've seen sites compare it to copperhead, and some compare it to a death adder (big difference!) And use phrases like 'not likely to be life threatening.'

A little too unknown for my comfort and I don't think my fiance would he happy with any hot snake, even if it's not 'truly' hot like a rear fanged colubrid.

Maybe some day! I'm not sure I'm at that experience level yet!

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[Zincubus]

Very true, and while I'll risk that with a snake like a hognose, even the Wikipedia article on cat snakes says that the venom and effects on humans for cat snakes isn't well understood. I've seen sites compare it to copperhead, and some compare it to a death adder (big difference!) And use phrases like 'not likely to be life threatening.'

A little too unknown for my comfort and I don't think my fiance would he happy with any hot snake, even if it's not 'truly' hot like a rear fanged colubrid.

Maybe some day! I'm not sure I'm at that experience level yet!

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Hognose bite .... one of our uk guys and a few days later



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[Spoons]

I know they do. But their bites and venom effect on people are far more common and understood, and know to be a mile irritant most of the time. It's the "not well understood" part that I don't like, I'm not trying to say hoggies don't bite.

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[redshepherd]

Very true, and while I'll risk that with a snake like a hognose, even the Wikipedia article on cat snakes says that the venom and effects on humans for cat snakes isn't well understood. I've seen sites compare it to copperhead, and some compare it to a death adder (big difference!) And use phrases like 'not likely to be life threatening.'

A little too unknown for my comfort and I don't think my fiance would he happy with any hot snake, even if it's not 'truly' hot like a rear fanged colubrid.

Maybe some day! I'm not sure I'm at that experience level yet!

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Makes sense! I wouldn't be comfy getting bitten either, just in case. I imagine I'd pry their mouth off as quick as possible and suck out the blood on the wound