BP Unusually Small?

[Heartley]

Hey all, I'm super new to the forums! I got my first BP off craigslist about a month ago. She is in great condition, super healthy little (assumed) gal! Her previous owner didn't specify whether she eats rats or mice, but the latter wouldn't surprise me, as she is only 264 grams and a little under 2 feet long. She eats frozen, apparently, but hasn't taken food from me yet. I'm trying her on rats, and thinking about getting her a live feeder because she hasn't responded to me heating, pre scenting, and braining the frozen weanlings. She shed for me not even a week ago, so that explains her earlier reluctance, but I tried to feed her today, and she showed some interest but still didn't eat.

I feed her in her enclosure, and when I tried today, she tried to coil around the rat on the fourth strike, only for one of her hides to get in the way. She just got agitated after that. Any tips for me to get her to eat? She was eating fine in her old home, with thin aspen bedding, low humidity, and unregulated temperatures. She's on a mix of coconut fiber and cypress mulch now (which she seems to adore! Shes burrowing now that she doesn't have a hide and dish that take up her whole enclosure!), with better temps and much better sized hides and water dish, and she's still not eating.

Also, I was told she is somewhere between one and a half and two, so her small size is a bit concerning. My only guess is either she's a much pickier eater than I was told, or kept on mice when she really should be on rats. Any help with getting her to eat, and any advice on how to get her up to a good size would be appreciated!

Here's a picture of her:


And here's her enclosure:

[Damage, Inc.]

Congrats and Welcome!

Here are a couple of things that I try with problem feeder.
1) I feed live and I feed at night. Just before I go to bed I drop in the prey item and then 1st thing in the morning I check to see if the prey item is gone. If not I remove the item and try again in 3-5 days.
2) I don't interact (play/handle) the snake in question until it gets to a consistent feeding schedule. I only got into the tub to change the water when necessary.
3) I try to feed the same day of the week and same time. This will help to establish a more consistent feeding response. Once established you can adjust to what ever you like. But until then I feel it's what best for the animal.
4) Being 1/5 - 2 years old and being 256 grams is a concern but I think it's more about consistent feeding than anything and not the animal itself. She was probably feed to small of a meal and feed every 2 to 3 weeks, which would explain her size. Once on a consistent feeding schedule with the proper size prey item this will be corrected almost immediately.
5) if none of the above has any positive result I would consider covering the exposed glass on your tank. This would be the last thing I would do and only if all the other changes don't help. It's far down the list of options.

I don't think you have anything to be overly concerned about. She at least had an initial response so we need to build in that, If you have any other questions just let me know. I'd be happy to help anyway I can.


Pete

[sufficio]

1) I feed live and I feed at night. Just before I go to bed I drop in the prey item and then 1st thing in the morning I check to see if the prey item is gone. If not I remove the item and try again in 3-5 days.

I'm not an expert, but isn't this dangerous? Especially with rats? I know I've read more than a few stories about live food being left in an enclosure overnight and the snake ends up dead.

[tttaylorrr]

I feed live and I feed at night. Just before I go to bed I drop in the prey item and then 1st thing in the morning I check to see if the prey item is gone. If not I remove the item and try again in 3-5 days.

I'm not an expert, but isn't this dangerous? Especially with rats? I know I've read more than a few stories about live food being left in an enclosure overnight and the snake ends up dead.

that is extremely dangerous and, frankly, stupid.

[Damage, Inc.]

that is extremely dangerous and, frankly, stupid.

If you don't agree with someone probably best not to insult them, especially if your don't know them or their experience.

[Craiga 01453]

If you don't agree with someone probably best not to insult them, especially if your don't know them or their experience.

Regardless of experience, feeding live prey any larger than a hopper, which at 264 grams this snake will be eating at least a small adult mouse, is extremely dangerous and irresponsible.
It's also extremely bad advice to offer to newcomers. If you're willing to roll the dice with your animals that's your call. But please don't advise new keepers to practice dangerous feeding techniques.
You'd probably feel pretty lousy if your advice was the reason OPs new snake ended up with a trip to the vet for mouse/rat bites.

[tttaylorrr]

If you don't agree with someone probably best not to insult them, especially if your don't know them or their experience.

i didn't mean to insult you personally, as that really wasn't my intention, but unsupervised live feedings is a stupid practice, full stop.

Regardless of experience, feeding live prey any larger than a hopper, which at 264 grams this snake will be eating at least a small adult mouse, is extremely dangerous and irresponsible.
It's also extremely bad advice to offer to newcomers. If you're willing to roll the dice with your animals that's your call. But please don't advise new keepers to practice dangerous feeding techniques. You'd probably feel pretty lousy if your advice was the reason OPs new snake ended up with a trip to the vet for mouse/rat bites.

bingo, this was the only reason i chimed in and made a point with my post. it's important for new keeps to understand the risks, and i made sure to use strong language to emphasize that.

i hope you understand, @Damage, Inc. have a good day.

[Heartley]

Yeah, I've heard that's pretty dangerous for the snake. She seems to spook herself after striking a few times and gets agitated if I'm dangling the prey near her for too long, I'd definitely have to heavily monitor her to make sure she doesn't just panic and hide. I'll try feeding live, though I'm worried about having to keep her on live, as she's just as likely to hide from the frozen as strike at it. Don't want to cause any unnecessary suffering to either her or the feeder.

[bu998]

I'm not an expert, but isn't this dangerous? Especially with rats? I know I've read more than a few stories about live food being left in an enclosure overnight and the snake ends up dead.

I definitely wouldnt do it i watched a small rat walk up and bite my caramel het hypo right in the back before i could stop it thankfully he didnt draw blood or disturb any scales but they are definitely capeable of much more.

[Sunnieskys]

Couple of things I see. Those stick on gauges....get them out NOW! Nothing sticky ever goes into cages. Plus those gauges are not accurate anyway.

Cover three sides of the cage leaving the front to see.

Those plants need to come down for more security for your beep.

No handling until your beep eats.

feed at night with the lights off. (NEVER leave a live animal overnight...that is well I'll be nice...it is dangerous to your beep).

How are you measuring your temps and do you have a thermoSTAT for your heat mat? Not a thermometer that's different.

humidity should be 60%