White Snakes

[Reptilius]

This is perhaps a stupid question.

What snakes belong in the so called White Snake Maker Complex?
I guess what I am asking is what combos produce either Snow White or Ivory Babies, this would include white snakes with reduced or very faint patterns.

I call on all opinions.

[redshepherd]

Don't you mean the BEL complex? Or is there some other White Snake Complex that I don't know about LOL

An Ivory is a super yellow belly which is unrelated to BELs.

http://www.owalreptiles.com/complexes.php

Blue Eyed Leucistic Complex
Butter
Mojave
Russo Het Leucistic
Phantom
Mystic
Lesser Platinum
Mocha
Special
Daddy Gene

Black Eyed Leucistic Complex
Fire
Sulfur

[Sirus Uno]

Blue eyed leucistics: (any combo of below)
Butter/Lesser
Mojave
Mocha
Bamboo
Russo
Special
Mystic/Phantom
Daddy

Black eyed leucistics: (any combo of below)
Vanilla
Fire
Disco
Brite
Flame
Sulfur
Lemonback
Sauce

Mixing of black eyed and blue eyed complex genes will not produce white snakes. Only between each other in same complex.

[asplundii]

OWAL covers them all here:

http://www.owalreptiles.com/complexes.php

[Reptilius]

Thank You to everyone who answered, much appreciated.
I have a thing for pure white snakes. lol

[Zincubus]

Thank You to everyone who answered, much appreciated.
I have a thing for pure white snakes. lol

Same

I'm still looking for the Whitest White though ..

I wonder if there's an accepted combo that gives the best WHITES ??

There's a stunner in this forum that I keep seeing but guess lighting is always a factor ?!



Just been reading through the Super Russo thread - interesting!



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[asplundii]

I wonder if there's an accepted combo that gives the best WHITES ??

All-white BlkEL and/or all-white Pied combo.

[Turbo Serpent]

All-white BlkEL and/or all-white Pied combo.

Almost every super or ALS created from the BlkEL or BluEL has the ability to be "pure" white, but can also have pattern.

I have seen Super Fire BlkELs that have a lot of pattern and I've seen some that were pure white, not sure what dictates the bleed through of the pattern in some but not others. The BlkEL and BlueEL complexes are fascinating because of the many different "forms." Some of them seem to be one-offs of others while some are obviously different alleles.

[hilabeans]

My guy is a Lesser Mojave and exceptionally clean. Although in the right lighting I do see a faint yellow dorsal stripe, not sure it that will stay faint or get more or less pronounced as he ages.

He's striking nonetheless and seems less threatening to my snake-afeared friends somehow, but I think I prefer pattern. He's my daughter's so my next snake will be all mine and full of pattern!

[JodanOrNoDan]

I am getting ready to do a bucket of white snakes picture. Waiting on one to come out of the egg. No two of the same combo. Will be interesting to see the opinions on the "whitest".