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    Even the super terrestrial snakes will still climb. If you give any snake something to climb they will. While it's odd to you, they will climb in the wild. If your setup is ideal then I wouldn't worry. I have a desert horned viper, and they are from Egypt. I have a statue in his enclosure and I see him climbing a lot. He doesn't stay up there, but he does go up there to bask closer to the heat. I give him a 92 degree hotspot, but when he climbs, where he goes it's normally 100-102.

    Now to address a few possible issues which I want to make sure isn't the case.

    You heat the bottom of the tank. Do you heat the entire bottom? If so you're not allowing him to thermoregulate.

    When you're checking the temps with the gun, are you aiming at the glass? Because if so you're going the wrong reading. A lot of people don't realize with temp guns you're not supposed to shoot glass or any type of reflective surface.

    I just wanted to cover this in case one of those two may be your issue.
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    Re: Normal KSB behavior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal View Post
    Even the super terrestrial snakes will still climb. If you give any snake something to climb they will. While it's odd to you, they will climb in the wild. If your setup is ideal then I wouldn't worry. I have a desert horned viper, and they are from Egypt. I have a statue in his enclosure and I see him climbing a lot. He doesn't stay up there, but he does go up there to bask closer to the heat. I give him a 92 degree hotspot, but when he climbs, where he goes it's normally 100-102.

    Now to address a few possible issues which I want to make sure isn't the case.

    You heat the bottom of the tank. Do you heat the entire bottom? If so you're not allowing him to thermoregulate.

    When you're checking the temps with the gun, are you aiming at the glass? Because if so you're going the wrong reading. A lot of people don't realize with temp guns you're not supposed to shoot glass or any type of reflective surface.

    I just wanted to cover this in case one of those two may be your issue.
    I have the UTH covering about 1/3 of the bottom. When I set it up, I did adjust the thermostat based on the temperature of the glass (with a temp gun) directly on top of the UTH. I also use the temp gun for the surface of the substrate, as well as an accurite for ambients. I'm concerned however, especially since he is a burrowing snake, how do I determine the accurate temp of the glass on top of the UTH if the temp gun won't read it accurately?
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    Re: Normal KSB behavior?

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    I have the UTH covering about 1/3 of the bottom. When I set it up, I did adjust the thermostat based on the temperature of the glass (with a temp gun) directly on top of the UTH. I also use the temp gun for the surface of the substrate, as well as an accurite for ambients. I'm concerned however, especially since he is a burrowing snake, how do I determine the accurate temp of the glass on top of the UTH if the temp gun won't read it accurately?
    Lift the tank up, or you can partially slide the side that has the uth out so you can shoot the uth directly. That'll give you a better idea.

    Also keep in mind that even though it may be ideal, once the substrate is covering it, that also raises the temps because it basically insulates.
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    Re: Normal KSB behavior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neal View Post
    Lift the tank up, or you can partially slide the side that has the uth out so you can shoot the uth directly. That'll give you a better idea.

    Also keep in mind that even though it may be ideal, once the substrate is covering it, that also raises the temps because it basically insulates.
    Hmm, so you mean that the temp the UTH is on the outside is the same temp as the thermostat/inside of UTH? Also, how then would I determine the temp at the hottest spot in the tank right above the UTH?
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    Re: Normal KSB behavior?

    Quote Originally Posted by Avsha531 View Post
    Hmm, so you mean that the temp the UTH is on the outside is the same temp as the thermostat/inside of UTH? Also, how then would I determine the temp at the hottest spot in the tank right above the UTH?
    It won't be the exact same, but should give you a more accurate reading.

    What I would do is put some paper towels at the very bottom, then put the substrate on top. Wait an hour or two then get to the bottom where the paper towels are and use the gun to shoot the paper towels. I'd put 3-4 down though so you get an accurate reading. Then you can shoot the bottom and get an idea of the difference.

    When I use heat tape on the pvc, I have to keep the probe set to 80, because under all the substrate, that bottom of the pvc enclosure was around 88. Before I put the substrate down, it was reading around 82-83, so with the substrate it raised it around 5 degrees. Now I don't know if the uth heater will do that, but I just wanted to give you an idea.
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    Re: Normal KSB behavior?

    Wow interesting. Thanks for the help!
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    Re: Normal KSB behavior?

    Yeah, some KSBs say fooey to the whole terrestrial thing, and can be escape artists, especially the males. Normal KSB goofiness.


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    Re: Normal KSB behavior?

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    Yeah, some KSBs say fooey to the whole terrestrial thing, and can be escape artists, especially the males. Normal KSB goofiness.


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    Goofy is an understatement. I swear he's so kooky, good thing he's so cute. I wish he'd eat once in a while lol but he's taken a meal a couple weeks ago after like 4 months so with the weather warming up and all hopefully he will start eating regularly again. Can anyone think of any objections to moving him into a 30 gallon from a 10?

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    Re: Normal KSB behavior?

    If you’ve had him long enough to be comfortable with his feeding patterns, and he’s an adult, it should work. If he’s still a youngster and/or new to you, I’d hold off for a while. I had to move one of my boys down to a 12” cube in a quiet room to get him eating semi-reliably (or as reliably as a male KSB ever seems to). He’s now in an 18-1/2 x 10-1/2 Cambro tub (clear lexan).

    20-longs are usually suggested as enough room for females. Our female is in a PVC enclosure with a bit more floor area than a 20-gallon long tank. If you don’t already have the 30-gallon, I’d go with a 20-long instead, since even KSB boys that climb don’t need the extra height of the 30.
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    Re: Normal KSB behavior?

    And I definitely recommend Warren Treacher’s “The Sandboa Book”:
    http://thesandboabook.com


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