RBI Hide Boxes VS Vivarium Electronics?

[Valyrian]

Its a shame this happens in ALL business's.

This is very true. A lot of people blame these problems specifically on Chinese manufacturing, forgetting that the device they're commenting on was most likely built in China too. It happens in all areas of manufacture.

[CALM Pythons]

I will tell you EXACTLY

I couldn't tell you how many Chinese molds I have worked on over the years and the build quality is amazingly poor. Tolerances and quality go out the window in order to save money. If I had the time I would make my own molds and produce hides that I guarantee would last a lifetime.

Well I volunteer you to start the New Biz Kevin.
K&K Reptile


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[CALM Pythons]

Haha i clicked the link and firs thing i saw was the cat pic and i thought, 'wtf they sell FT cats!!??'. Then i read 'Cat Supplies' LOL.

So either drunk arabs or drunk chinese making your hides. Next thing you know, Nike is going to start selling hide boxes for snakes from manufacturing in South America lol. Ok thats a bad joke...sorry :p

Hahahaha well I "CART'ed" a couple Hides but it wont take me to Checkout, I messaged them. Lets see what happens.


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[CALM Pythons]

Just looked at BigApple too.. They look like RBI hides but dimensions are a bit different so I sent them a message to ask.


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[KevinK]

Well I volunteer you to start the New Biz Kevin.
K&K Reptile


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I would love to do it if I wasn't so busy with other projects! ....but a big factor is also cost. Despite being able to build a mold for next to nothing, I couldn't hit the prices that they charge for these things. That's why they build them in China lol. If I have 5,000 of them made for me, YOU guys would understand quality and purchase them, but the people on Ebay and Amazon just see a hide box and a pricetag so when RBI charges $7 for a large hide box, they would blow me out of the water as far as price goes and win that battle every time.

Another dirty little secret is that they are probably using the same mold for several different companies (which China can do because they don't follow patent restrictions or intellectual property rights)....try that in the states and you would be sued into oblivion.

[CALM Pythons]

I would love to do it if I wasn't so busy with other projects! ....but a big factor is also cost. Despite being able to build a mold for next to nothing, I couldn't hit the prices that they charge for these things. That's why they build them in China lol. If I have 5,000 of them made for me, YOU guys would understand quality and purchase them, but the people on Ebay and Amazon just see a hide box and a pricetag so when RBI charges $7 for a large hide box, they would blow me out of the water as far as price goes and win that battle every time.

Another dirty little secret is that they are probably using the same mold for several different companies (which China can do because they don't follow patent restrictions or intellectual property rights)....try that in the states and you would be sued into oblivion.

The thing is the Reptile Community is relatively small compared to car buyers for example... You would be selling to all the FB group people, Forum People and Fauna BOI people... With that said depending on machine costs id have no idea the Long Hall out come for Profit margin..
My business is extremely expensive to buy equiptment, but you make a living continuing to work...once all is paid for only to start over with Payments again etc etc etc... Hahahaha


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[KevinK]

This is very true. A lot of people blame these problems specifically on Chinese manufacturing, forgetting that the device they're commenting on was most likely built in China too. It happens in all areas of manufacture.

It depends on the nature of the business actually. China doesn't follow ISO or Six Sigma (US quality control standards) with any of their companies that I'm aware of. German companies, UK companies....they have quality control organizations that certify their manufacturing practices. In China, that's out of the question.

That's not to say you can't run into problems with manufacturing in other countries but I'll tell you for an absolute FACT that issues arise in Chinese manufacturing a HELL of a lot more. No safety standards either.

I have had dies built in China that were malfunctioning so they wanted them inspected and looked over in the states. We get them in, pop them open, and discover that the actual bolt heads are busted off on EVERY bolt. The culprit? Chinese steel that doesn't abide by any quality control standards whatsoever. Interesting fact: China doesn't like using their own steel to build bridges and skyscrapers.

Sometimes you can get away with shipping out your labor to China but it ALWAYS comes back to bite you eventually....I've seen it so many times in my career.

[KevinK]

The thing is the Reptile Community is relatively small compared to car buyers for example... You would be selling to all the FB group people, Forum People and Fauna BOI people... With that said depending on machine costs id have no idea the Long Hall out come for Profit margin..
My business is extremely expensive to buy equiptment, but you make a living continuing to work...once all is paid for only to start over with Payments again etc etc etc... Hahahaha


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Like you said, with as small as the community is I would be very surprised if I was able to make up the cost of the steel alone for the mold build. Machining costs? I don't have to worry about, but the steel is the big question and molds use a LOT of it.

[MD_Pythons]

Well crap. I just ordered some RBI hides, after seeing this I have some concerns about the quality but I'll update you guys on them when they get here.

[CALM Pythons]

OK.. Got news from Bobby at RBI. These are NOT his hides. All his Hides are labeled and the injection mold (nipple) is on the inside not the top outside like the ones I bought "sold as RBI" from one of his distributor. He is going to follow up with them as they should NOT be listing them as RBI. He knows who the manufacturers is. I will be sending these back and getting 2 new ones from him directly. (Along with a free shirt on the house he said)
I'll update when they come in.
Also Im done with anyone that's distributing someone else's product. You see how that works. I should have waited until they wer back in stock. But LLL should not be selling Knock Offs as someone else's quality product.


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