All the ways to get a white ball python?

[CrazycatOP]

I'm wondering about all the ways to get a white ball python. Not just black or blue eye Lucy's. Anything all white or almost all white. So like grey freckiling and stuff is fine. Pics would be wonderful. Abvioisly include the combo names of both parents

[Python23]

Yellowbelly x yellowbelleys make ivorys which can sometimes have abit of patterning.

Spider pieds have a completely white body with a patterned head which looks cool. Blue eyed lucies vary in colour and whiteness too. Super mojaves have a grey head.



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[Ax01]

Yellowbelly x yellowbelleys make ivorys which can sometimes have abit of patterning.

Spider pieds have a completely white body with a patterned head which looks cool. Blue eyed lucies vary in colour and whiteness too. Super mojaves have a grey head.

there are all white Spider Pieds too; they're called Spieds. Lesser Pieds are usually completely white too; they're called Lieds. j/k that was a lie. here's Ruby, my Lied guy... err i mean Lesser Pied.



people love the Panda, but they are often very low pattern, white head and body except for a spot or two.

also Cherry Bombs are all white with pinkish-red eyes. here's by baby Emerald:






Edit: oh geez, how could i forget. Lol this is one of my projects - Snow Balls. here are some VPI Snow Balls - they have a hint of pattern and yellow: http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/vpi-snow

[CrazycatOP]

I never knew a lesser pied made a white snake. So that’s a pied x lesser het pied right? And the snow balls are absolutely beautiful

[Ax01]

I never knew a lesser pied made a white snake. So that’s a pied x lesser het pied right? And the snow balls are absolutely beautiful

that's one way to get them. other pairings may include:
Lesser het Pied x Lesser het Pied
Lesser Pied x Pied
Lesser het Pied x het Pied
Lesser Pied x het Pied
any Lesser-combo het Pied x Pied
etc. etc.

u can also swap out Lesser for Butter i suppose.

but keep in mind Lesser Pieds are susceptible to Microphthalmia aka small eyes. get Super Lessers and they may get big, buggy eyes. get Lesser Pieds and they may have small eyes.



i'm lucky in that my Ruby girl is perfect. (:

[CrazycatOP]

Ever heard of a super orange belly? Not a yellow belly. Do they produce white snakes? I’m getting mixed info

[Python23]

that's one way to get them. other pairings may include:
Lesser het Pied x Lesser het Pied
Lesser Pied x Pied
Lesser het Pied x het Pied
Lesser Pied x het Pied
any Lesser-combo het Pied x Pied
etc. etc.

u can also swap out Lesser for Butter i suppose.

but keep in mind Lesser Pieds are susceptible to Microphthalmia aka small eyes. get Super Lessers and they may get big, buggy eyes. get Lesser Pieds and they may have small eyes.



i'm lucky in that my Ruby girl is perfect. (:

Breeding super lesser pieds is absolutely pointless in my opinion. You're just going to get a completely white snake, which is a waste of the pied gene. If people want a white snake you might aswell do it with as little genes as possible.


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[asplundii]

Ever heard of a super orange belly? Not a yellow belly. Do they produce white snakes? I’m getting mixed info

OB is just another allele of YB. OB x YB makes an Ivory. Some people argue that all OB x OB will produce a GraphiteIvory but I have yet to see any documented proof of this.

Breeding super lesser pieds is absolutely pointless in my opinion. You're just going to get a completely white snake, which is a waste of the pied gene. If people want a white snake you might aswell do it with as little genes as possible.

I have heard it argued that the white of a Pied is brighter/cleaner than the white of any BluEL, so it might not be a totally pointless project in that regard.



Other white snakes:

WomaPied and ChampPied can be all white
There are some lines of BlkPastel that will occasionally throw all-whites when combined with Pied in the same manner as Spieds
Any of the superforms in the BluEL group (with the possible exception of the Daddy allele) when combined with Pied; e.g., CrystalPied, PotionPied... But, as noted above, you get microphthalmia.
Snows (already mentioned) and LavSnows
If you stack enough other genes in Champs they seem to wash down to near-white, e.g., SuperPastel Champ Fire Lesser
Albino SuperBlk/SuperCinny/8Ball though these might blush yellow with age
Albino Suma might as well though I suspect they might blush yellow the same as above

[Ax01]

that's one way to get them. other pairings may include:
Lesser het Pied x Lesser het Pied
Lesser Pied x Pied
Lesser het Pied x het Pied
Lesser Pied x het Pied
any Lesser-combo het Pied x Pied
etc. etc.

u can also swap out Lesser for Butter i suppose.

but keep in mind Lesser Pieds are susceptible to Microphthalmia aka small eyes. get Super Lessers and they may get big, buggy eyes. get Lesser Pieds and they may have small eyes.



i'm lucky in that my Ruby girl is perfect. (:

Breeding super lesser pieds is absolutely pointless in my opinion. You're just going to get a completely white snake, which is a waste of the pied gene. If people want a white snake you might aswell do it with as little genes as possible.

i've seen one Super Lesser Pied that had an all white body but with a lavenderish belly kinda like this lucy Burm: https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...leucistic-baby i don't know if that was a once off, paradox thing tho. and a Super Lesser Pied can be very helpful in a project if the breeder wants to work the Lesser gene into everything (and create het Pieds). so no, its not absolutely pointless IMO. also Pied Lesser's and Pied Super Lesser's do not have blue eyes; they have black eyes w/ red pupils. so they offer something different besides their genetic power u can work into other projects. but to each their own.


Edit:

I have heard it argued that the white of a Pied is brighter/cleaner than the white of any BluEL, so it might not be a totally pointless project in that regard.

true dat!

[CrazycatOP]

What is the simplest definition of an allele? I know it’s a gene related to another but how?