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    Re: Man fined for taking snake to park without leash

    Quote Originally Posted by EmilyandArlo View Post
    Even though the leash suggestion is laughable, I understand that they need to enforce the same rules for all pets in the park. And shame on that guy for bringing his snake to a public park. So many people have a very real fear of snakes and he should have been more considerate of that.


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    Zero tolerance policing is never a good thing for a community. But then an animal control officer is not a police officer.

    While I would never take a snake to a park I certainly don't see the issue with it. Especially a BP. No harm there. People have the right to be afraid of them but he has the right to enjoy the park as well. Why should one persons fear dictate anothers rights?

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    Re: Man fined for taking snake to park without leash

    Quote Originally Posted by KMG View Post
    Zero tolerance policing is never a good thing for a community. But then an animal control officer is not a police officer.

    While I would never take a snake to a park I certainly don't see the issue with it. Especially a BP. No harm there. People have the right to be afraid of them but he has the right to enjoy the park as well. Why should one persons fear dictate anothers rights?

    Im tired of everybody tip toeing around people because they may be offended, scared, or need a safe space. Life is hard, get a helmet! As a nation we have become soft and it makes me sick.
    While at first glance it does seem silly, the leash law there clearly covers ALL animals, and on top of that someone complained to Animal Control, so AC may not have had a choice in the matter. A lot of enforcement entities (Animal Control, Police Department, Fire Department, Building & Zoning, etc.) have a policy that if a citizen makes a complaint about something, and a law is technically being broken, they must take action. They don't want to be selectively enforcing laws, or get a reputation of not taking complaints seriously.

    KMG, unfortunately EmilyandArlo hit the nail on the head... a LOT of people are ignorant and have a real fear of snakes. Same with dogs (granted, in many cases the fear of dogs, and the presence of leash laws specifically for dogs, is at least justified by something more than fear). Your attitude that they should just get over it will not win any of them over. We as a community need to educate them and be considerate of them, or they will end up thinking poorly of all snakes and snake owners.
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    Re: Man fined for taking snake to park without leash

    Quote Originally Posted by silverdreams View Post
    While at first glance it does seem silly, the leash law there clearly covers ALL animals, and on top of that someone complained to Animal Control, so AC may not have had a choice in the matter. A lot of enforcement entities (Animal Control, Police Department, Fire Department, Building & Zoning, etc.) have a policy that if a citizen makes a complaint about something, and a law is technically being broken, they must take action. They don't want to be selectively enforcing laws, or get a reputation of not taking complaints seriously.

    KMG, unfortunately EmilyandArlo hit the nail on the head... a LOT of people are ignorant and have a real fear of snakes. Same with dogs (granted, in many cases the fear of dogs, and the presence of leash laws specifically for dogs, is at least justified by something more than fear). Your attitude that they should just get over it will not win any of them over. We as a community need to educate them and be considerate of them, or they will end up thinking poorly of all snakes and snake owners.
    I won't write such a ticket. Usually the only time an officer in mandated to take action is on a felony arrest. A simple class C ticket is most commonly the officer's discretion. Just because you complain to me doesn't guarantee I'll write a person a ticket. That's not how I work. I honestly probably won't. Now if the person is an arse they might earn themself a ticket.

    As for winning them over. That's not the issue as I see it. They have the right to be afraid of whatever they want(this time it is a snake, but it can be anything) but just because they are should not interfere with others rights and freedoms. It is the bigger picture that concerns me but it all starts with little acts.

    But in line with your statement this would have been a great time to bring the two together and maybe come to an understanding that it is impossible to put a leash on a sausage and show the complainant this snake is nothing to fear.
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    Re: Man fined for taking snake to park without leash

    Quote Originally Posted by KMG View Post
    I won't write such a ticket. Usually the only time an officer in mandated to take action is on a felony arrest. A simple class C ticket is most commonly the officer's discretion. Just because you complain to me doesn't guarantee I'll write a person a ticket. That's not how I work. I honestly probably won't. Now if the person is an arse they might earn themself a ticket.

    As for winning them over. That's not the issue as I see it. They have the right to be afraid of whatever they want(this time it is a snake, but it can be anything) but just because they are should not interfere with others rights and freedoms. It is the bigger picture that concerns me but it all starts with little acts.

    But in line with your statement this would have been a great time to bring the two together and maybe come to an understanding that it is impossible to put a leash on a sausage and show the complainant this snake is nothing to fear.
    Are you a Police Officer, or Animal Control Officer, if you don't mind sharing? I have an AA in Criminal Justice and am a physical security systems specialist in a corporate environment, but I originally got that degree because I wanted to be a Police Officer. After some soul searching I realized I'm too soft to be a PO, but Law Enforcement is still one of my biggest interests.

    Anyway, I see your point, but where one person's rights and freedoms end and another person's begin isn't always immediately obvious, and/or may be controversial. Smoking, for example.
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    Re: Man fined for taking snake to park without leash

    Quote Originally Posted by silverdreams View Post
    Are you a Police Officer, or Animal Control Officer, if you don't mind sharing? I have an AA in Criminal Justice and am a physical security systems specialist in a corporate environment, but I originally got that degree because I wanted to be a Police Officer. After some soul searching I realized I'm too soft to be a PO, but Law Enforcement is still one of my biggest interests.

    Anyway, I see your point, but where one person's rights and freedoms end and another person's begin isn't always immediately obvious, and/or may be controversial. Smoking, for example.
    I am a police officer.


    Yes the line can get blurred but I wouldn't write a ticket in this situation. However I know how stupid it is to think a snake should be on a leash but I would hope a animal control person would as well. I was originally speaking more to the fact another user said the guy should have been more considerate of another's feelings. Over a BP? I don't think so. An adult Rock Python? OK. But not a little BP. That's in the same line as getting out of a final because of who was elected president and you're upset. It's ridiculous.
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    Behavior like this doesn't help PR between snake owners and the public; a good amount are scared to death with their phobia. He's like the type of tool you see walking around parades or carnivals with a large boid. 190$ and public embarrassment is plenty punishment.

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    Re: Snake leash law

    I personally wouldn't take my snake to a park and let it roam free. There's way too much stuff that could happen. I can't list the enormous amount of well stuff ( I don't want to get in trouble for expletives). But worse case you snake gets eaten by something.

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    Snake leash law

    A leash is no big deal.

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    Should've just told the officer that is has a leash, and point to literally it's entire body. I would've done that.

    But I wouldn't have my snakes at a public park, so

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