well, with all the enthusiasm with herpstats, I decided to bite the bullet and find a local destributor and low and behold Bean Farm is relatively close to my home so I drove out to Carnation and had a look at all their cool stuff. After chatting with the owners for a while and after a few emails with the very helpful owner of spyder robotics I decided to go with the Herpstat 2. I was going to get the Intro + but that was not in stock... I feel like a kid at christmas!