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    Re: Hidden co dominant?

    Only reason I think it can be is the lighter patches on the back but I have produced normals that were like this color and even some were really reduced patterns

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    Lol, she is a fire we know that much, it has the head markings and in other threads people said she was a good example, the questions are if she carries any granite or dinker traits.

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    Here is a shot under different lighting.

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    i think u just have a reg Fire. the flames and coloration are all within the normal range for a Fire. if u are looking for Granite in there, that's just wishful thinking IMO. esp when the pairing only had 3 genes at play - (Cos) Mojave, Fire and Cinny. she's a pretty girl but i don't see enough to dink around with.

    u can check out more examples of Fires here and see the variation - https://ball-pythons.net/forums/show...hp?144634-Fire
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    Re: Hidden co dominant?

    Thanks, great reply. That's what I wanted pal. Looking forward to breeding her with a pastel as I'm heading for firefly's as my first breeding project hopefully next year!-)

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    Re: Hidden co dominant?

    Hi,

    "Cos" is thought to be similar to fader but was from a different line ( the name references the breeder "Circle of snakes" ) I know this because I have a possible cos pastel boy.

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    Yeah the breeder mentioned he got the Mojave from circle of snakes directly, he was questioning the green in That snake and the fact it had carried over to various young regardless of morph... he seems to think it's very possible there is a unknown/identified morph in them, I'm expecting the colouration to get more vivid like with his older snakes carrying it...
    It's interesting anyhow, like I say he suspected granite but who knows!-) maybe it's nothing but a splash of slightly unusual colour.

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    We have another fader/whiteout/super duper....


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    Re: Hidden co dominant?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser View Post
    We have another fader/whiteout/super duper....
    Would you mind explaining this whole ordeal to me? From what I understand, some people just think it's line breeding whereas Kevin makes it seem like it is a co-dominant with a super form? (Fader in this case)

    I know whiteout/super duper/etc. are considered different lines of fader but there is no base form of these 'morphs' correct? If that's the case, these morphs just tend to come and go in the same vain as the red gene in black heads?

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    Re: Hidden co dominant?

    Quote Originally Posted by Seven-Thirty View Post
    Would you mind explaining this whole ordeal to me? From what I understand, some people just think it's line breeding whereas Kevin makes it seem like it is a co-dominant with a super form? (Fader in this case)

    I know whiteout/super duper/etc. are considered different lines of fader but there is no base form of these 'morphs' correct? If that's the case, these morphs just tend to come and go in the same vain as the red gene in black heads?
    that pretty much sums it up. kevin says its a monogenetic trait (like every other trait we call a morph) and it has a super form. Yet offers no proof of this claim. Others say it is polygenetic, where multiple genes play a factor in the trait. This seems to be the case looking at inheritance patterns and the fact it pops out of nowhere in multiple collections. Pastel is a monogenetic trait. How yellow/brown it is, the blushing, reduced or not the pattern is are all polygenetic traits that are controlled by multiple genes we don't recognize by themselves.


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