First Clutch - Could you help me ID Morph?

[JusBlaze365]

Butter and lesser are very similar looking. I don't believe there's much of a difference between the 2. Bloodlines that produce butters may be different than lessers but I'm not 100%. I do know they look and react the same when breeding. I'm still pretty new at this as well so maybe a more experienced member can help but as far as the butter lesser questions they are pretty much the same

[blk02ssmonte]

IMO looks like you have... butter/lesser bees, spider, normal, and a butter/lesser. I don't see any pastels.

[hatchcrab]

IMO looks like you have... butter/lesser bees, spider, normal, and a butter/lesser. I don't see any pastels.

I found a breeding chart online that agrees with your thoughts on morphs if the breeding pair was a spider with a lesser.

If so it looks like I should get roughly 25% of each of the following:
Normal
Lesser
Lesser Bee
Spider

Thanks for the input blk02ssmonte.

[Dezoruba]

Yep. Dad is a lesser, not a pastel. You have 2 lesser spiders, 1 spider, 1 lesser, and the rest are normals.

I don't see any pastel there either.

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[Moloik]

Mom and dad looking beautiful!

[JusBlaze365]

Congrats on your first clutch. You got a nice group of babies. Those lesser bees are awesome. I have a pastel lesser female I'm hoping to pair with something nice in the distant future lol.

[Trisnake]

Butter and Lesser are analogous genes; they're basically slightly different versions of the same mutation. If I'm not mistaken butters tend to have creamier, more off-white colors where as Lessers have more whites and silvers.

But yeah, dad is definitely a lesser or butter. He has creamy alien heads with reduced keyholes and silver flaming like a lesser/butter. He would have a lot more blushing and higher contrast between the lights and darks if he were pastel.

What a fun surprise though! Gotta love lesserbees!

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Lesser Bee - Normal - Spider and Lesser

Lesser and Butter are the same just different lines, just like Coral Glow and Banana.

Now it would be nice from a lineage standpoint to know which one you are working with as people tend to care about lineage.

You are definitely not working with Pastel.

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[hatchcrab]

Now it would be nice from a lineage standpoint to know which one you are working with as people tend to care about lineage.

You are definitely not working with Pastel.

Agreed and thanks for the details and advice.

So just to close the loop on the last couple months and the 2 threads I started (starting with my other thread about maternally incubating.)

Dad was a Lesser, Mom was a Spider

Clutch of 7 produced this offspring:
2 Normal
2 Spider
2 Lesser Bee
1 Lesser

(That seems to line up perfectly from genetics/statistics standpoint.)

Thanks to everyone for all the advice and comments - I can see how this could get addictive!

[OTorresUSMC]

Agreed and thanks for the details and advice.

So just to close the loop on the last couple months and the 2 threads I started (starting with my other thread about maternally incubating.)

Dad was a Lesser, Mom was a Spider

Clutch of 7 produced this offspring:
2 Normal
2 Spider
2 Lesser Bee
1 Lesser

(That seems to line up perfectly from genetics/statistics standpoint.)

Thanks to everyone for all the advice and comments - I can see how this could get addictive!

You were damn near right on the nose with the odds huh lol. Just needed one more snake that was a lesser and itd be exactly a punnette (spelling) square prediction haha. Good looking snakes congrats. Next year i plan on breeding my Killerbee yellowbelly male to my pastel butter ghost female. Im sure ill also need help IDing the pastels any supers and any pastel butters.

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