Help with Re-identifying three of ours ~ thank you

[WintersSerpentine]

I may need a little help. When Ty and I started out with Ball Pythons we solely bought from one shop, a Reptile place close to our house. We love the manager there, not so much the owner. Unfortunately, I think that they have been mis-gening the ball pythons that we have acquired. Thankfully, we got them for their personality and because we liked their patterning, not for a specific gene. All except our large Champagne male are under 500g and we do have plans to breed when the time comes, but we based our purchases and adoptions on this: "What 10 snakes do we absolutely love when we see it in front of us that would serve as good starter ball pythons to prospectively breed in 2018."

TL;DR - I don't think some of our snakes are what they were sold as, but we got them because we like them, not for a specific gene so it is okay.

Most importantly - all of the snakes were healthy as can be when bought and only seem to be getting more comfortable and healthy at home with us.

So my question is, will someone please help me identify the snakes that we already thought we had identified? I know there is variation between each morph itself.

Grææ - Sold as a "Ghost Pastel"
I can't find anything on WoB or Morph Market that even has Ghost Pastel worded the way it was sold. The closest I see is a Pastel Ghost and well.. I think we all know they look nothing similar to Grææ. Any opinions on what she may be?





Cersei - Sold as Citrus Pastel
Actually met the entire clutch, another female that looked like Cersei, but she had a kinked tail as well as an identical male.





MJ - sold as a Regular
I got this guy from another breeder in Jacksonville.. As we were talking about him, we were informed that he may be a trick. Possibly a Mojave Trick. After looking online I have come to the conclusion that he is just a nice regular. Opinions? Only recent picture I have of him is his last feed and one with bad lighting.



As for the others.. I do believe they are correct, but may post them later for confirmation. Thank you everyone for taking your time to look and add your input! :2cents:

A special thank you to Dave Green for properly identifying my newest BP as an Albino Champagne despite being sold as an Albino Banana.

Thank you again for your time,
Mac.

[Seven-Thirty]

The citrus pastel looks like a pastel to me. Cirtus Pastel is just another line of pastel. The normal looks like a normal. The Pastel Ghost/Ghost Pastel looks 100% ghost to me at the least but from the pictures I don't see the pastel.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

I see Hypo, Pastel, Normal

Here is what a POG (Pastel Orange Ghost, Pastel Ghost, Pastel Hypo etc) look like

[WintersSerpentine]

The citrus pastel looks like a pastel to me. Cirtus Pastel is just another line of pastel. The normal looks like a normal. The Pastel Ghost/Ghost Pinastel looks 100% ghost to me at the least but from the pictures I don't see the pastel.

Thank you for your opinions!! The citrus pastel to me just looks a little too bright to be a regular pastel.. she's so vivid!

I see Hypo, Pastel, Normal

Here is what a POG (Pastel Orange Ghost, Pastel Ghost, Pastel Hypo etc) look like

Thank you, Deborah! A hypo would be exciting!
Those examples are closer to Cersei. Thank you for your opinions



Here are two extras that may help,

Grææ.


Cersei.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Thank you for your opinions!! The citrus pastel to me just looks a little too bright to be a regular pastel.. she's so vivid!

There are very bright Pastel out there some also have to do with selective breeding, personally unless I bought a specific line from a breeder that I know and trust who does not mix lines and keep vigorous lineage info, I would just call it a Pastel and do the same with it's offspring if. Now a line is a line, it's not a big deal in most cases unless people want to out cross specific Black Pastel Lines for example, or when buying Hypo or Axanthics. (Most hypo are compatible, axanthics are not)

When it comes to Pastel the morph as been around so long finding a specific line that has not been crossed is not easy.

[WintersSerpentine]

There are very bright Pastel out there some also have to do with selective breeding, personally unless I bought a specific line from a breeder that I know and trust who does not mix lines and keep vigorous lineage info, I would just call it a Pastel and do the same with it's offspring if. Now a line is a line, it's not a big deal in most cases unless people want to out cross specific Black Pastel Lines for example, or when buying Hypo or Axanthics. (Most hypo are compatible, axanthics are not)When it comes to Pastel the morph as been around so long finding a specific line that has not been crossed is not easy.

Awesome!! Thank you for the new information. I am still relatively new to this and your information helped both myself and my hubby!You are saying that Graeae is a Pastel, Cersei is a Hypo, and MJ is a regular, correct?

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Awesome!! Thank you for the new information. I am still relatively new to this and your information helped both myself and my hubby!You are saying that Graeae is a Pastel, Cersei is a Hypo, and MJ is a regular, correct?

Yep, unless you know the lines for sure (meaning getting animals from someone that produced them, is knowledgeable and trustworthy) I would keep it as that especially considering the Pastel Ghost is not a Pastel Ghost

[Rikoku]

Awesome!! Thank you for the new information. I am still relatively new to this and your information helped both myself and my hubby!You are saying that Graeae is a Pastel, Cersei is a Hypo, and MJ is a regular, correct?

Yep, unless you know the lines for sure (meaning getting animals from someone that produced them, is knowledgeable and trustworthy) I would keep it as that especially considering the Pastel Ghost is not a Pastel Ghost

If im not mistaken and based on previous posts, it would actually be Graeae is a Hypo, Cersei is a Pastel, and MJ is a regular,

On a side note, my Pastel is also called Cersei!

[PitOnTheProwl]

Same here:
Orange Ghost/Hypo
Pastel
Normal

[WintersSerpentine]

If im not mistaken and based on previous posts, it would actually be Graeae is a Hypo, Cersei is a Pastel, and MJ is a regular,

On a side note, my Pastel is also called Cersei!

Oh, I see now! Ghost and Hypo are interchangeable (right?) I was under the impression before this post that Hypo meant super bright... I'm not sure why I assumed that. But with that thought, I thought Hypo would be Cersei for her brightness. I get it nowwww! Hypo = Ghost.
And that would make baby Cersei a pastel. That's super awesome!
If I remember correctly, your pastel Cersei is pretty big right?? If she's the particular one I'm thinking of, she's beautifulll!
Thank you for clearing that up for me as I had them reversed.
Thank you for taking your time to read and respond with your knowledge.

Same here:
Orange Ghost/Hypo
Pastel
Normal

Oh, thank ya Pit! I think that you, Rikoku and Deborah are correct. Thanks for the input!

Thank you all for helping me identify my babes! We all appreciate it.