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[jmcrook]

Trust me I sympathize with him zina10. Mad respect for him and all he has and is doing. I am sure he feels like a parent with a new born baby that cries and cries but can't talk to say what is wrong. All to often we wish our animals could talk and communication was easier when things go wrong. I am sure she is doing her best to let him know but her way of communicating is so vague that he has no way of knowing what is going on.

I know is up to him when enough is enough. I hope he finds a solution soon.

Have you thought about something like this being nearby?

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Might be worth asking your neighbors. I know snakes don't have ears but they do feel vibrations.

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This behavior, as stated multiple times throughout this lengthy thread, has persisted for two years through two different states, three different enclosures, and three different residences. I am dead certain it’s not a vibration from a neighbor/electronic pest repellent.
If she would just eat I think we’d be in the clear. If she does end up being placed elsewhere it will only be with someone willing, ready, and able to do at least everything I have tried at a moments notice and that I have thoroughly vetted in a most scrutinizing manner.


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[Gio]

Dude,

I'm at a loss. I'm super bummed as you were a person that got me thinking I should snatch this species up. While it did work out for me, I'm really bummed you've had two that have caused so many issues.

A very experienced retic buddy of mine said some retics just push. He followed up by saying he would never own one that does.

This hobby ins't about being miserable, and clearly you are there.

Do what you have to do brother.

Enough time and money!

Not worth it to either you or the animal to continue this.

[AbsoluteApril]

A very experienced retic buddy of mine said some retics just push. He followed up by saying he would never own one that does.

Yes, I agree, some are just pushers. It's not fun and not one I'd want to keep either. We've been very luck in that respect.
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I am terribly sorry JM, I really wish there was an easy solution and you have tried so much. Anyone reading this can see how much love and effort you've put into this girl. I cannot even begin to imagine the frustration you are feeling.

Perhaps the breeder would be willing to take her back?

Whatever you decide, do what is right for *you*.
Wishing you luck and peace.

[Dxw425]

Super bummed to see the latest updates to Phyllis. Wishing you the best man.

[67temp]

JM, whatever the outcome is I hope the solution comes quickly, for the both yours and Phyllis's sake.

[jmcrook]

Thanks you everyone. Was talking to another retic friend on FB that said they had a female literally push itself to death. Trying to keep my composure and weigh my options as far as final solutions for the both of us. I don’t know what will end up happening but I’m sure whatever the decision is, it will not be an easy one to make. Secretly hoping that she’ll eat soon and things will shape up. Her lips are just getting swollen again as she refuses to quit pushing ever...


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[Dianne]

I wish I had some words of wisdom or ideas that would help. I can’t think of a thing that you haven’t already tried. Best wishes to you both.

[zina10]

Thanks you everyone. Was talking to another retic friend on FB that said they had a female literally push itself to death. Trying to keep my composure and weigh my options as far as final solutions for the both of us. I don’t know what will end up happening but I’m sure whatever the decision is, it will not be an easy one to make. Secretly hoping that she’ll eat soon and things will shape up. Her lips are just getting swollen again as she refuses to quit pushing ever...


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Does she always push in the same spot? Or generally, just at the edges of each door or the middle support (where fresh air flows in, telling her thats the way out) ?

[jmcrook]

Does she always push in the same spot? Or generally, just at the edges of each door or the middle support (where fresh air flows in, telling her thats the way out) ?

Most generally at gaps in between the doors, but elsewhere in the cage as well.


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[zina10]

I know my thoughts will be far out there, and not well developed yet.

Just thinking of some stuff..

Knowing that Retics are a species that usually travel for miles, and actively hunt for food, I wonder if some of them just have it hard wired into them to "travel". If they could get, in a way, claustrophobic. Perhaps their instinct tells them to get moving.

I have seen certain cushioned mats, usually some form or yoga mat, that are made out of a very cushioned but "slick" smooth material. Do you think it would help to line the inside of the cage with something like that. She could still push her face into it, but it has give.

The doors are more challenging. The snake knows that is where the cage opens, I also believe they feel the "air" moving in from there. However, you have to have doors. And then there are the gaps between doors. Can't really cushion them from the inside. I wonder, though, could those doors be replaced by some sort of plexi plastic glass? You could then cut a round hole into each of those doors and then connect a big tunnel, either going from one door in a big loop to the other door. Or. From one door to yet another cage that is nearby. Or go more elaborate and have that tunnel travel up and around, or along the walls ?

That may sound weird, but sort of like a over sized "hamster cage". Perhaps if she had somewhere to go, out of those doors, she wouldn't push trying to get out. Perhaps going into a tunnel , into another cage, or in a big loop around back into her own cage she would feel like she is "moving". Basically a big endless loop she could take.

What that tunnel could be made out of , I don't know. There are ready made bendable structures, but how solid they would be, I don't know. There is the possible problem of her relieving herself in the tunnel.

You could always swap the doors to the glass ones if you need her to stay in the cage.

I know this may sound really out there, and its just preliminary thoughts that flit through my brain. I just have a feeling that her instinct wants her to be on the move. And if you provide a endless circle, she always has somewhere to go to?

Of course that may be impossible to do or to far out there, or plain not work.