Spider x Spider results

[OhhWatALoser]

This will most likely be my last time breeding spider x spider on purpose, given the new info with the blackhead gene. Figure i might as well share anyways. Pairing was a spinner hypo to a spider. I'm assuming the egg went bad around 30-35. Cut it today on day 40. Under developed white snake.

[RickyNY]

Is this the only bag egg? Thanks for updating this

[OhhWatALoser]

Is this the only bag egg? Thanks for updating this

Only bad egg I've had this season, besides ones with no vains to start. This was a good egg when it started.

[OhhWatALoser]

Well noticed another start going bad a couple days ago. I can't prove it's a super spider, but I've never had a hatchling die this late in the egg from a non spider x spider and seems to happen everytime with spider x spider.

[OhhWatALoser]

So I thought this saga was over, a spinner pipped while we were at the show today, so we cut the eggs. I found out were all my luck got used up this season. 3 spinners, possibly a 4th (might just be a pin). a super curious spider in the picture and oh yeah, another white snake.... and its still alive. Will definitely keep everyone updated, but ill admit, something already looks off about it, so very little reason to think it will live long even if it makes it out of the egg.

[piedlover79]

This is fascinating. I'm sorry to hear about the ones that didn't make it.

[OhhWatALoser]

This is fascinating. I'm sorry to hear about the ones that didn't make it.

Well it's expected, the intent of this pairing was always information gathering. I even feel like I'm bordering on ethics, but when I first paired these animals the general consensus on the super spider had a wide range. Information on the blackhead changed that, which is why this is my last spider x spider breeding. I'm just excited to see one near full term, at least publicly only a handful of people have. I plan on getting a necropsy done once this one passes, as I assume it will. Perhaps they can tell us why they pass.

When it comes to the wobble morphs there's such a range of alignments it makes we wonder why some thrive with neuro issues and no other issues, while others thrive for a while but pass, then some hardly ever hatch. A lot going on with a lot of unknowns.

[OhhWatALoser]

little color on the head. ton of yolk, still slowly breathing.

[GreenTea]

Wow thank you for sharing. Kind of rough but very interesting!

[Albert Clark]

OWAL: This will most likely be my last time breeding spider x spider on purpose, given the new info with the blackhead gene. Figure i might as well share anyways. Pairing was a spinner hypo to a spider. I'm assuming the egg went bad around 30-35. Cut it today on day 40. Under developed white snake.

Wow! Very interesting bc I recently did a pairing of a Candino / Albino pairing that produced 5 good eggs. The eggs incubated well @ 87.5 F -88.5 F with a constant 99% humidity . Unfortunately at about day 40 I noticed some discoloration on one of the eggs. This particular egg was on the bottom of the clutch with three other eggs attached to it so it was difficult to access the discolored egg. The progression of the discoloration became much more evident and apparent that the egg was bad. The other eggs were totally fine and hatched with healthy babies. Two visual Candinos and two visual Albinos. They pipped at day 57 and the bad egg at that point was very discolored and smelly. Curiosity made me cut the egg after all the hatchlings were out and it was a underdeveloped white snake with a large hardened yolk at the bottom of the egg. Looking very much like this white snake. I didn't take photos of it bc I wasn't going to post it but I did talk about it in my thread about the clutch results. I was thinking that bc of the allelic mutation of the two genes that may have had something to do with it? That maybe the pairing of a Candino/ Albino was just not the best choice? The four survivors are so far doing well and seem ok.