Eucalyptus steam for RI

[cmenger]

I have mastered and sucessfully healed 10 animals with this technique(mine from a bad purchase and doctoring for a buddy) wanted to see if anyone else has tried and has been successful as I have with this technique

[cmenger]

NoonE has tried this?

[kitedemon]

I would not, personally. Eucalyptus globulus oil is a phenolic. It contains phenols in the extracted oil. Phenols are highly reactive for reptiles you may introduce other long term effects associated with phenols. It may kill the bacteria associated with RI but damage the liver and lungs in the process opening the door for re-occurance.

I would avoid any, and all, products that have OL at the end of the name, lysOL, eucalyptOL (eucalyptus oil), cineOL, (eucalypus product also found in oils) thymOL (mouth washes and cleaners), and phenOL (carbolic acid). To name a few.

[SlitherinSisters]

I do know Eucalyptus is toxic to cats, dogs, and horses.

[Mike41793]

I would not, personally. Eucalyptus globulus oil is a phenolic. It contains phenols in the extracted oil. Phenols are highly reactive for reptiles you may introduce other long term effects associated with phenols. It may kill the bacteria associated with RI but damage the liver and lungs in the process opening the door for re-occurance.

I would avoid any, and all, products that have OL at the end of the name, lysOL, eucalyptOL (eucalyptus oil), cineOL, (eucalypus product also found in oils) thymOL (mouth washes and cleaners), and phenOL (carbolic acid). To name a few.

Question: would that mean when people say to use mouthwash to get snakes to unwrap you would it be potentially harmful to them?

[Carl]

I can assure everyone here that this is a safe method. I rescued a BCI that was underweight and had a very severe case of RI. I found a really respected vet to take him to. The vet put him on Batryl. The vet told me to use vicks vapor rub and eucalyptus oil if the batryl did not work. The batryl did not work so I started the at home treatment. After 2 treatments and the injections I took him back to the vet because I thought I was still seeing symptoms of RI. The vet told me that the boa was 100% healthy and that there was no sign of RI anymore. However he has 2 of the symptoms of RI but he does not have the infection anymore. All you need is 2 storage containers, boiling water, 1tsp of vicks, and 6 drops of eucalyptus oil. The magic cure. However a snake should still be going to the vet to be checked FIRST.

[kitedemon]

Question: would that mean when people say to use mouthwash to get snakes to unwrap you would it be potentially harmful to them?

I would not expect so, not unless it was common occurrence. It is not a lot of thymol in mouthwash and a single one time would be unlikely to be harmful. It is damage over a period of time. I would wonder if alcohol alone would do the same? I have never needed no resort to such a method know on wood I will not need to. I have seen a big retic bite (38 stitches) and can imagine what a feeding bite would be, the snake has got to release.

There are some whom believe mouthwash as a disinfectant which is not sound practice, phenols are know to be harmful. Two, diluted it is unlikely to do anything, and three even full strength it is targeted to a specific set of bacteria that need moist wet and really warm conditions, (human mouth) unlikely to be found inside an enclosure.

[kitedemon]

I would always recommend a culture be done with RI, ALWAYS. It will allow targeted antibiotics, a vet using Batryl as a kill anything hammer is not helping. Batryl is heavily used and the growing amounts of resistance to it attests to this. It also points to the need of a culture. Most say that to do anything an antibiotic need to be administered for weeks and weeks with reptiles (24-48 hours to digest compared to 20 min for humans everything is slow), the last rescue I had that was treated, was treated every 3 days for 4 weeks. Then a new culture done to confirm it was clear. Two treatments of antibiotics is unlikely to have any effect and it is unlikely nebulizing also would have any effect. It is quite likely there was no RI and it was mis diagnosed by the vet. It is quite common. RI does not go away in a week or two. Humans with pneumonia blowing liquid from their lungs get hospitalized often for weeks. A snake who has a system moving 60 times slower is not going to recover to 100% in a week or two under any circumstances.

We ask a lot of vets. The be an expert in cats, dogs, all manor of small mammals, large mammals, a huge array of reptiles and birds. Each one being different and having its own ins and outs. A human doctor is so specialized that there are left side heart specialists and right side. How can any vet know everything about every animal? They can't the mark of a great vet is one who sees something new scratches their head and then picks up the phone to talk to an expert in that animal. This is not what many vets do they try cross over treatments, this would on ferrets so it should work on...

[Stewart_Reptiles]

I can assure everyone here that this is a safe method.

Based on?

Your Veterinarian degree?
Years of veterinary medicine practice?
Curing 100's animals or more successfully this way?

I am curious what were the results of the cultured that your vet did before choosing the proper antibiotics? For how long did he prescribe Baytril for? What were the results of the culture after YOUR treatment which "miraculously" treated your snakes?

Over the years I have seen many so called home treatments (including this one) that people believe cure their animals however it only alleviate the symptoms sometimes giving the appearance of a healthy snakes.

This is a DO NOT try this at home thing, yes I know that some of you who are getting started and are reading this may think this is great and cheap way to get rid of a RI and will decide to try it thinking it is the "miracle cure" however you need to think and I will refer you to this http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...ons-The-Basics

If someone suspects a RI they need to go to a HERP vet, get a culture and get the appropriate antibiotic prescribed.

[Carl]

I would always recommend a culture be done with RI, ALWAYS. It will allow targeted antibiotics, a vet using Batryl as a kill anything hammer is not helping. Batryl is heavily used and the growing amounts of resistance to it attests to this. It also points to the need of a culture. Most say that to do anything an antibiotic need to be administered for weeks and weeks with reptiles (24-48 hours to digest compared to 20 min for humans everything is slow), the last rescue I had that was treated, was treated every 3 days for 4 weeks. Then a new culture done to confirm it was clear. Two treatments of antibiotics is unlikely to have any effect and it is unlikely nebulizing also would have any effect. It is quite likely there was no RI and it was mis diagnosed by the vet. It is quite common. RI does not go away in a week or two. Humans with pneumonia blowing liquid from their lungs get hospitalized often for weeks. A snake who has a system moving 60 times slower is not going to recover to 100% in a week or two under any circumstances.

We ask a lot of vets. The be an expert in cats, dogs, all manor of small mammals, large mammals, a huge array of reptiles and birds. Each one being different and having its own ins and outs. A human doctor is so specialized that there are left side heart specialists and right side. How can any vet know everything about every animal? They can't the mark of a great vet is one who sees something new scratches their head and then picks up the phone to talk to an expert in that animal. This is not what many vets do they try cross over treatments, this would on ferrets so it should work on...