Sterling ball or Pewter Ball

[supertiger retics]

TRADED you say? How about the "I paid $850 for this male?"

Yes, that was the price that Mr. Miller placed on it. Granted I didn't "pay" for it with money, the 850 was "paid" through trade value......Granted I should've worded it differently

[supertiger retics]

I'm still trying to see where the problem is......The breeder right there in black and white reaffirmed the snake and it's genetics, and guarantees it.......

[nimblykimbly]

Geez this is all just terrible. I mean every last bit of it. I know it's a harsh reality, but it's sad and ridiculous that people can't just be forthright an honest. It is disappointing. I'm so sorry to watch the BP world have to deal w crap like this.... They are snakes... Living creatures.... It's upsetting that this level of scamming and crap has to be brought into it.

[interloc]

K so...the snake in question IMHO is a pewter. I say this for a few reasons.
A) the head is not near blushed out enough to be a super pastel
B) the colour is wayyy off, again not near blushed out
C) the pattern is fairly contrasty to the rest of the snake, stirlings patters gets faded and almost disappears sometimes

From what I can tell (being an outsider here) is that you were mad that you seemed to be dooped so you went ahead and sold the snake as the BEST POSSIBLE SCENARIO. That right there is the part that is wrong. It's wrong on the original breeders part and on yours. If your not 100% sure then you have to sell it as the step down. I've seen many people selling things that are (for example) pewter possible yellow belly for the same price as pewter. The breeder is saying "I don't know 100% if the YB is in there, but I know its a pewter so I will sell it as that. If it turns out there's yellow belly in there, awesome for the new owner." That's what a responsible person would do.

Secondly, if you are starting some kind of reptile breeding business, why wouldn't you start with the best examples of the morphs you want? If you want to be successful then you need animals that are QUALITY and that STAND OUT among all the sub par animals.

It seems like there has been many lies here. My suggestion is trade the snake back for the yellow belly, then try and work something out with the original breeder. If his reputation is what you say it is, then he should be willing to help you out.

[supertiger retics]

Well as stated before, the genetics are guaranteed......Right from them breeder's mouth

[interloc]

Well as stated before, the genetics are guaranteed......Right from them breeder's mouth

Guaranteed doesn't mean accurate.

[supertiger retics]

Looks like 2 different snakes to me......

[Valley]

A lot of inconsistencies in the story.

The text, as honest as you've been so far I wouldn't put too much weigh on it.

[Annarose15]

If this was the first set of pictures you posted...

Looking for you guy's opintions....So here he is with and without flash

With flash



With out flash

Then what on earth does the first pic in this post have to do with anything? Yes, it "looks like 2 different snakes", but that's because it isn't the one you've posted!

Looks like 2 different snakes to me......

[interloc]

Ya camera tricks are going to help your case. Come on really?