Your opinion identifying her please ?

[rabernet]

thanks... he didnt say she was yb or vanilla..he said the full white belly, the longer than usual striping on her back and the high blushing with the alien head patterning are characteristics of these other snakes, and others. I don't mean to offend any pros out there, i only meant to state that it wasn't myself trying to identify her. she kinda does look norm in the pics but if you could see her, especially beside a normal, the difference is apparent. my friend said if she is normal, she's the most unusual one he's ever seen. thanks for the input everyone!

He hasn't seen a lot of normals then. She looks like some of mine. And I don't see ANY blushing on her?

Here's one I produced from pastel to normal:



Here's a female normal:



and another female normal:



This snake has blushing (the lighter brown area on her back)

[Binoo]

will try to post.. i have a few pics.. the seller was a punk kid who knows less than i do. he said pastel,

[MS2]

Sure looks normal. The only thing I would second guess would be the clear/clean belly. Thats usually a "marker" of some sort.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Standard normal belly, standard normal marking....................NORMAL

Since you have the opinion of a professional breeder (which to me means HE breed for a living) do you mind sharing who this professional breeder is, because I cannot think of any that would tell someone that this snake has either the characteristic of a YB or vanilla.

Normal vary greatly in pattern, colors, belly pattern, blushing and this one show no characteristic of any subtle morph.

[snakesRkewl]

Sure looks normal. The only thing I would second guess would be the clear/clean belly. Thats usually a "marker" of some sort.

Quite a few normals have clear belly's too, normals that are not het for anything.
The OP's snake is a nice normal, nothing out of the ordinary, a nice normal and nothing more.

It's amazing how many people sell normals as pastels

[PitOnTheProwl]

Normal
And no, this is not Robins snake in the 4th pic but they are close

[cecilbturtle]

It's amazing how many people sell normals as pastels

It's even more amazing to me that people buy normals that are sold as other morphs. Before anyone gets upset, I know there are a lot of hard to identify morphs out there. Just don't be too shocked when you buy one THEN come here to confirm you bought a morph that is in fact a normal. If the seller is being honest he/she shouldn't mind you posting pics here to get opinions before you buy. Just ask for permission to post pics of animals that aren't yours. If they don't want you to post their pics then that should raise a red flag.

Please don't blame the "punk kid" for not knowing what he has. Maybe he was told that it was a pastel when he bought it. You as the buyer should try to confirm the snake is what the seller says it is through photos, seeing it in person, or posting pics here or on other forums for more experienced opinions. I know you asked a "Professional Breeder". I'm sorry he isn't very experienced or knowledgeable. There is no shame in saying "I don't know...".

[MS2]

Quite a few normals have clear belly's too, normals that are not het for anything.
The OP's snake is a nice normal, nothing out of the ordinary, a nice normal and nothing more.

It's amazing how many people sell normals as pastels

Just stating my opinion. Yes, I would say that snake is very much a normal, but to say it's a normal and nothing more only by looking at the pics

Yes, alot of "normals" have clean bellies, but MOST morphs have clean bellies also. With all the crazy morphs out now...gravels, het puma, spector, special,.......You never know if you have something special until you breed it to the right genes.

I think thats how alot of breeders are coming up with all these new morphs. Breeding in large volume and pairing "interesting" looking normals into different gene pools.

Some people just HAVE to know everything!

[DooLittle]

Sorry, only a normal. There is tons of variation in normals.

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[MS2]

Sorry, only a normal. There is tons of variation in normals.

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There are tons of variation in morphs also. Show me two of any Ball pythons that look the same. Just saying.........