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    I dont think that anyone has been rude at all.
    This is a msg board, there is no emotion and over emotion posted
    Everything can be viewed on both sides of the coin, I have posted whole hearted and people have thought I was being a smart.

    I do agree that I too get fed up sometimes seeing the "care" questions that can be found on our care sheets BUT if the wording is not right then the search wont find it either

    You got your answer, yes they can be housed together BUT if you have problems with one then now you have problems with both. A rack system is a great way to house multiple snakes. Most of us have 20+ snakes now, most of us STARTED in glass tanks, we all had one problem or another with tanks, but the bad thing about racks is that there is more space for more snakes

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    Here is a link to the article I wrote on this topic. It is a very comprehensive list of why you should not house snakes together.

    And, I don't blame you for asking! I agree there is TONS of contradicting information on the internet, so kudos to you for consulting the experts instead of believing what you see on google! After all, you said that you've seen pet stores do it, and others as well. Same here; I see it all the time. But I try to educate people where possible on the dangers of co-habbing. So if you'd like some more information on co-habbing, please visit my article:

    Can I Keep Multiple Snakes in One Enclosure?

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    Re: Can I house two ball pythons together?

    Quote Originally Posted by SquamishSerpents View Post
    Here is a link to the article I wrote on this topic. It is a very comprehensive list of why you should not house snakes together.

    And, I don't blame you for asking! I agree there is TONS of contradicting information on the internet, so kudos to you for consulting the experts instead of believing what you see on google! After all, you said that you've seen pet stores do it, and others as well. Same here; I see it all the time. But I try to educate people where possible on the dangers of co-habbing. So if you'd like some more information on co-habbing, please visit my article:

    Can I Keep Multiple Snakes in One Enclosure?
    Except for the parts where you're flat out wrong, you have a very re-hashed version of crap that's been floating around the net since its inception.

    Have YOU ever kept snakes together to see if what you're regurgitating is true?
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    Re: Can I house two ball pythons together?

    Quote Originally Posted by wilomn View Post
    Except for the parts where you're flat out wrong, you have a very re-hashed version of crap that's been floating around the net since its inception.

    Have YOU ever kept snakes together to see if what you're regurgitating is true?
    I'd be happy to edit/adjust anything in the article if it's in fact wrong.

    As for the bolded part of your repsonse, that is precisely the point; to have the information consolidated in one place in an easy to read format for people who are new to snakes.

    And no, I have not kept them together, because I'm not willing to risk something going wrong. The risk IS there, and bad things HAVE happened, I'm not going to put my snakes together and wait for something bad to happen just so that my article can be backed up by my own real-life horror experience.

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    Re: Can I house two ball pythons together?

    Quote Originally Posted by SquamishSerpents View Post
    I'd be happy to edit/adjust anything in the article if it's in fact wrong.

    As for the bolded part of your repsonse, that is precisely the point; to have the information consolidated in one place in an easy to read format for people who are new to snakes.

    And no, I have not kept them together, because I'm not willing to risk something going wrong. The risk IS there, and bad things HAVE happened, I'm not going to put my snakes together and wait for something bad to happen just so that my article can be backed up by my own real-life horror experience.
    And yet, armed with nothing more than someone else's experiences, which directly contradict not only my own, but those of several other well known and respected slither keepers, you promulgate untruths and use scare tactics to foster untruths.

    You may not realize it, but that is exactly how some of the crap you're regurgitating got started in the first place. But hey, if you're cool with that, don't let me stop you.
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    I agree with everyone here. We see this question all the time, and I don't think anyone meant to be rude, but this is the internet and you do lose inflection quite easily.

    It is frowned upon to house two snakes together, starting with the fact that you are supposed to quarantine a new addition before you handle it with the rest of your collection (be it one snake or many). If one is sick, you won't know who. If one has mites - the other will get them. It is a long, hard, twisting and dark road that is best not taken. 7$ tubs from walmart are more than sufficient for housing, I use them for all my adults and they suffice quite well, if you aren't looking for a larger rack.
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    Re: Can I house two ball pythons together?

    Quote Originally Posted by Xotik View Post
    I agree with everyone here. We see this question all the time, and I don't think anyone meant to be rude, but this is the internet and you do lose inflection quite easily.

    It is frowned upon to house two snakes together, starting with the fact that you are supposed to quarantine a new addition before you handle it with the rest of your collection (be it one snake or many). If one is sick, you won't know who. If one has mites - the other will get them. It is a long, hard, twisting and dark road that is best not taken. 7$ tubs from walmart are more than sufficient for housing, I use them for all my adults and they suffice quite well, if you aren't looking for a larger rack.
    You can't really agree with everyone if there are two opposing sides here.

    If you buy a sick snake, if you purchase a snake with mites, if YOU DO NOT QUARANTINE, that is entirely different than housing to healthy snakes in the same enclosure.

    You do realize that, right?

    Protocols for introducing new additions are not the same for housing established residents. Seems some either don't know that distinction, refuse to acknowledge it, or are hoping no one figures out they're two different things entirely.
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    Re: Can I house two ball pythons together?

    Quote Originally Posted by wilomn View Post
    You can't really agree with everyone if there are two opposing sides here.

    If you buy a sick snake, if you purchase a snake with mites, if YOU DO NOT QUARANTINE, that is entirely different than housing to healthy snakes in the same enclosure.

    You do realize that, right?

    Protocols for introducing new additions are not the same for housing established residents. Seems some either don't know that distinction, refuse to acknowledge it, or are hoping no one figures out they're two different things entirely.
    Yes thank you, I do. I apparently did miss a sentence in there. I read through and as far as I can tell - there is the side that says do not house snakes together. If I am missing a post or two that are supporting housing them together then please point me in that direction. Otherwise, I stand by my previous post. I do not support housing snakes together, as it is dangerous for multiple reasons.
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    Use the search function. Use the experience of others to ACTUALLY glean knowledge, not puke up what you've been told by those who know no better than you.
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    Re: Can I house two ball pythons together?

    To the OP - you've asked a question that has been a hot button issue on this forum for awhile.

    In one corner, you have people who have kept maybe one two species of snakes, and have doing it for a relatively short period of time. Gaps in their knowledge are filled in by Google searches.

    In the other corner, you have crusty old, viagra popping, mobility scooter riding old farts and menopause queens who have their own experience to rely upon.

    I am of the opinion that the following things should be considered before deciding to co-habitate two snakes:

    (1) Some species of snakes have been documented to be bigots towards other snakes. I have personally seen vanilla ball pythons refuse to even look at a black pastel or a chocolate. In these cases, you can either send the offending snake to a racial sensitivity course or report him to the NAACP.

    (2) You need to consider the political or cultural preferences of both animals. A progressive snake should not be kept with a conservative snake. A gay snake should not be kept with a homo-phobic snake and a vegan snake should not be kept with a carnivorous snake.

    (3) If you keep two snakes together successfully, you still run the risk of one or both animals not imprinting with you. Snakes bond to their owners much like dogs do. If you keep two of them together, they will bond with each other rather than you. This will rob you of one of the greatest rewards in herpeto-culture, the unconditional love and undying loyalty of your pet snake.

    (4) In some species of snake, the females (after they hit sexual maturity), will ceaselessly nag the male snake about how often he sleeps, where he poops, how much he eats and his weight. This is very stressful on the male snake and may cause him to prematurely bald and have stress related health issues.

    (5) In some species of snakes, the males will get bored of mating with the same female, especially if they have seen said female pass a bunch of eggs or if said female hasn't bounced back well from pregnancy.

    (6) Snakes are pack related animals and fights often break out in wild herds over who eats first at a kill, who mates with the hottest female, or who get control of the TV remote. When you artificially keep them together in a small space, this can lead to intense interpersonal issues that may require years psychotherapy to correct.

    You may read this list and think I am full of crap. However, I assure you that the reasons I listed are every bit as valid as the other arguments against co-habitation you have read on this thread.

    Toodles,

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