How do I tell the difference between lesser and butter?

[hungba]

Lessers and Butters babies look the same to me, is there any way of visually telling them apart? When the grow up the lessers look a little bit more silver and the butter a little more yellow I think? But as babies they look almost identical to me.

[OhhWatALoser]

Their the same morph with two different stories of coming into captivity. Their as different as lemon pastels, bell pastels, bhb pastel, ect. all different lines of the same morph.

[Rat160]

IMO lessers and butters are nothing more than different lines of the same morph.

[satomi325]

Imo, the only difference is the price tag. However, I also agree with your observation. I too believe butters tend to be more yellow and Lessers more silver/tan.

Sent from my ADR6300 using Tapatalk

[hungba]

Really? So a lesser bee is the same as a butter bee etc.? They always list them separately in all the genetics calculators and morph lists, whereas things like pastels they only list pastels they don't put lemon vs. jungle etc.

[WingedWolfPsion]

Has this been irrefutably confirmed? In other words, has a lesser been bred to a butter, and the resulting BEL then been bred to a normal to see if distinct butter and lesser offspring are produced, or if the offspring all look like intergrades between the two?

[OhhWatALoser]

Really? So a lesser bee is the same as a butter bee etc.? They always list them separately in all the genetics calculators and morph lists, whereas things like pastels they only list pastels they don't put lemon vs. jungle etc.

WOBP list at least 5 compatible pastels on their calc/morph list and more of them are more than likely compatible. Mine just lists pastel as pastel and leaves all the lines out. I still separate butter and lesser or people will complain one is missing. Doesn't change how the genetics work, just a name.

Has this been irrefutably confirmed? In other words, has a lesser been bred to a butter, and the resulting BEL then been bred to a normal to see if distinct butter and lesser offspring are produced, or if the offspring all look like intergrades between the two?

I've never seen anything online but talking with breeders at shows I have herd multiple times there's no telling the difference. Also breeding a lesser/butter bel to a normal really doesn't prove anything. With them being the same, the difference you see are not the lesser/butter allele but the other 20398495804 possible alleles we cannot identify. It's why we have low and high quality morphs, the difference in them is the alleles we cannot identify, not the allele we are labelling.

can you tell me with a 100% certainty without cheating who is what in this picture?

[WingedWolfPsion]

The butter is on top?
(To be honest, I can't personally tell them apart, either, but some folks insist, so I was wondering if it's actually been tested out).

[OhhWatALoser]

The butter is on top?
(To be honest, I can't personally tell them apart, either, but some folks insist, so I was wondering if it's actually been tested out).

I'll reveal what they are later, let the people who think there is a difference guess if they want, actually maybe I should make a poll just to see how many people get it right lol. but yea I can't think of a way to really test it 100%. I mean their on the same locus, make the same super, with the same genetic bug eye problem, make combos that are near identical sometimes... I don't see why there's still a debate.

[Homegrownscales]

Butter top
Lesser bottom


Check out what's new on my website... www.Homegrownscales.com