Spider Male/Pastel Female

[JungleCarpet81]

Just got this Spider baby male not too long ago. eats with no problem its on live now but im going to try to get it on f/t asap. should I feed a live one then directly after feed a frozen thawed one is that the best way to do it?

I got this beauty from KLHreptiles.com which is located in Framingham,MA. Next weekend I'm going to get a female pastel BP for my first breeding project in the future. When you pair up a pastel and a spider ball what is the result? does anyone have a picture of a spider X pastel baby/adult?

I also have carpet pythons that I might end up doing a carpet ball hybrid with these guys/gals too.







Enjoy!!! I'll post pics of the pastel female in this same thread when i get her!!

[crazy ball]

i think bumble bees dude

[Kinra]

Spider X Pastel
25% Normal
25% Pastel
25% Spider
25% Bumble Bee

That's per egg not per clutch. I highly recommend you check out: http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

Edit: My bee produced by Garrick DeMeyer, she's a little thing only 4 months old and about 200g

[JungleCarpet81]

Spider X Pastel
25% Normal
25% Pastel
25% Spider
25% Bumble Bee

That's per egg not per clutch. I highly recommend you check out: http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

Edit: My bee produced by Garrick DeMeyer, she's a little thing only 4 months old and about 200g

Ok so which ever babies dont show the dominate trait of the parents after my pairing does that mean the other babies will be 100% het for spider and pastel? how does that work?

[Kinra]

Ok so which ever babies dont show the dominate trait of the parents after my pairing does that mean the other babies will be 100% het for spider and pastel? how does that work?

There are no hets with spiders and pastels.

Here is a short quick genetics lesson:

There are three types of morphs: dominate, co-dominate and recessive. Genes come in pairs, need to throw that out there at the start.

Dominate morphs are those that don't have a proven super form, such as the spider and pinstripe. With these morphs it is impossible to tell by looking at them if they carry two copies of the morph gene. Animals that carry two copies are considered homozygous and all babies produced will carry one copy of the gene. If you have a homozygous version of a spider all of the babies will be spiders.

Co-dominates are like the dominates but you can visually see a difference between the homozygous animals (supers) and the ones that only carry one copy of the gene (this is technically considered heterozygous I believe). So you can visually see a difference between a pastel and super pastel. Pastels only have one copy of the pastel gene and super pastels have both copies. Super pastels when breed to a normal produce 100% pastels.

Now recessive morphs are a lot like the co-dominate morphs, but the heterozygous (het) form looks like a normal. There are very few morphs that you can tell by looking at them what they are het for. Het Red Axanthic come to mind here. The homozygous version of the morph is the one you can see, like the pieds and albinos.

I hope that makes sense, everyone else please correct me if I am wrong.

[JungleCarpet81]

Spider X Pastel
25% Normal
25% Pastel
25% Spider
25% Bumble Bee

That's per egg not per clutch. I highly recommend you check out: http://www.worldofballpythons.com/wizard/

Edit: My bee produced by Garrick DeMeyer, she's a little thing only 4 months old and about 200g

Ok so what i learned from the morph calculator is that when the male is the morph and the female is the normal the babies are always going to be het but will always physically look like normals correct?

[EverEvolvingExotics]

Nice looking spider, congrats!

[Kinra]

Ok so what i learned from the morph calculator is that when the male is the morph and the female is the normal the babies are always going to be het but will always physically look like normals correct?

As I said in my genetics lesson post it depends on what the morph is.

For example:

Recessive: Pied X Normal = 100% normals het for pied

Co-dominate: Pastel X Normal = 50% Pastel, 50% Normal (not het for anything)
Co-dominate: Super Pastel X Normal = 100% Pastel (not het for anything)

Dominate: Spider X Normal = 50% Spider, 50% Normal (not het for anything)

It is possible to come across a homozygous version of a dominate morph, which can only be proven by breeding, which will result in 100% of that morph when breed to a normal and these again will not be het for anything.

[Ezekiel285]

Ok so what i learned from the morph calculator is that when the male is the morph and the female is the normal the babies are always going to be het but will always physically look like normals correct?

Not quite, it depends on whether its dominant, recessive, or co-dominant.
I think the only time it will be het is if you are breeding a recessive gene animal to a normal.

Edit: although you can get hets by breeding recessives to other things also (i just meant for your example)

[JungleCarpet81]

thanks everyone im still a bit confused but ill just re read everything yall wrote thanks for all the help!!