Safe this bee in China. Please !

[RichsBallPythons]

The breeder chose to perpetuate the defect.

All spiders have the wobble, as its genetic and nothing can stop it. To look down on a breeder for breeding spiders is crazy. As im sure you have a spider or spider cross in your collection.

[LizardPants]

Actually I don't own any spiders, nor do I plan to unless breeders make concerted efforts to breed them more intelligently. Thanks for your opinion though.

[RichsBallPythons]

Actually I don't own any spiders, nor do I plan to unless breeders make concerted efforts to breed them more intelligently. Thanks for your opinion though.

Spiders wobble Period. Theres NO way to cross breed them to eliminate the wobble. Spider gene is the top selling morph in the BP industry.

Because YOU dont like them, dont mean you jump into a forum discussion and belittle breeders who breed them as their an AWESOME mutation.

[kitedemon]

It is a given with spiders and spider based morphs. They all have a wobble some more than others. The breeder is not blameless however shipping a snake with mites is poor practice at best, and also selling a spider based animal with a magor wobble the customer should have been informed before the purchase.

As per mites there are chemical treatments (P-A-M) but if you do not have any don't wait fot it keep up the soapy water soak (a little soap not lots mild hand soap) everyday and before the snake returns to its enclosure The enclosure must by scrubbed spot less (bleach 10%) and boiling water in the enclosure as well every day! Before the soaked snake is returned. The same for the area surrounding the enclosure it too must be cleaned as well, everyday. The adult mites leave to lay eggs the can travel farther than you think and they like damp dark areas so keep things drier than normal and scrub into the corners of everything.

[SlitherinSisters]

And by breeding snakes with the defect, the breeder has chosen to perpetuate the defect.

To add to what Rich said. You can breed an almost perfect spider and get train wrecks. You can also breed a train wreck spider and get almost perfect spiders. You will never find a perfect spider. People that say they have a perfect wobble free spider haven't looked at their spider close enough. My spider looks wobble free, but if you really pay attention you can tell his movements are a little abnormal/twitchy especially during feeding time.

The breeder is not a bad breeder for breeding the spider gene, he's a shady breeder because he sold a snake in poor health-infested with mites.

[LizardPants]

So it's all about the money for you Rich? Get a kid addicted to meth/crack/cocain and he'll be your customer for life. Does that make it ok to sell drugs to kids (or anyone)?

Rich, apparently you and I have our differences, personally I take it with a grain of salt; but we shouldn't hijack this guys thread to have it out. Maybe we should start a LizardPants VS. RichsBallPythons thread.

[kitedemon]

I have also seen spiders whom have almost no wobble but as they age it gets worse, and the other way around a very wobbly spider seem to get it under control and not wobble so much. It is a bit of a luck of the draw.

[llovelace]

So it's all about the money for you Rich? Get a kid addicted to meth/crack/cocain and he'll be your customer for life. Does that make it ok to sell drugs to kids (or anyone)?

Totally uncalled for dude! Rich was just stating a fact. Spiders are among the most popular balls, has nothing to do with making the money.

[LizardPants]

Some people think kids with downs syndrome are cute, does that mean they should try to have a kid with a disorder?

[llovelace]

Some people think kids with downs syndrome are cute, does that mean they should try to have a kid with a disorder?

Ok now you are starting to piss me off, grow up!!!!! you are comparing apples to oranges here.