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    Pythons equal fireworks

    im understanding that if bill passes, the wont be banned to buy but banned to by out of state, um well in good ole NC, fire works that shoot up in the aire, are illegal but around the 4th people 24/7 juimp the boarder to buy, some, so ummm,not condunung ANY ILLEGAL activity, but if you cross line with, snake, unless you actuallly get stopped then no-one will persay know. cause how many times has one, shot off an illegal firecracker or bottle rocket. it will just be hard for BHB-NERD and high profile snakes breeders to sell, as cockfighting is illegal but game bird farms advertise there, birds all the time, with a little stamp saying no intended for illegal purposes, AS I SAID BEFORE NO CONDONING ANY BREAKING OF LAW, JUST WONDERING

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    Re: Pythons equal fireworks

    I believe that the Lacey Act stipulates that any species that is part of it is illegal to own, and any that are in captivity must be put down.

    I could be wrong.

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    Re: Pythons equal fireworks

    yea, i read it to so now I am confused, S323, wow i've seen that bill so much i still dont remember it. is it differant from lacey act, and the HR bill, or are they all tied, in cause i herad S323, lets people keep them, then i heard as you have saying Lacey saying the will be illegal and killed, so little confused or are they 2 bills going

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    Re: Pythons equal fireworks

    Quote Originally Posted by BOWSER11788 View Post
    yea, i read it to so now I am confused, S323, wow i've seen that bill so much i still dont remember it. is it differant from lacey act, and the HR bill, or are they all tied, in cause i herad S323, lets people keep them, then i heard as you have saying Lacey saying the will be illegal and killed, so little confused or are they 2 bills going
    both bills are going still at this point

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    Re: Pythons equal fireworks

    Quote Originally Posted by mainbutter View Post
    I believe that the Lacey Act stipulates that any species that is part of it is illegal to own, and any that are in captivity must be put down.

    I could be wrong.
    That is not correct.

    Lacey only regulates the transport of injurious or endangered species between states or in to/out of the US.

    When it comes to matters of injurious or endangered species within a state, the Federal Government allows the states to govern themselves ... for now.

    If these bills become law, you'll still be able to own, breed, sell, and transport within the state your animals are in at the time of it's passage. Any movement across state lines is a felony (smuggling charge) punishable by up to 10 years in federal prison and a $10,000 fine.

    Hope this helps.

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    Re: Pythons equal fireworks

    it does thanx

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    Re: Pythons equal fireworks

    So what do you have to do to transport an animal legally across state lines? Permits and all that yada?

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    Re: Pythons equal fireworks

    Technically, interstate transport of animals requires a health certificate signed by a veterinarian. This law is only really enforced for livestock, however. But we're all technically breaking the law right now when we send snakes to buyers out of state without a health certificate. Here is a link to the USDA/APHIS website that has information about specific state import laws: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_exp...s_states.shtml

    I believe the new laws being proposed would ban interstate transport altogether -- whether a health certificate accompanies the animal or not. Which is totally pointless, IMO, especially considering the current regulations aren't being enforced. I assume pythons already exist in all the states, so what good would banning their interstate transport do? Same with banning importation into the country -- they're already here so what's the point?
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    Re: Pythons equal fireworks

    Quote Originally Posted by Nate View Post
    So what do you have to do to transport an animal legally across state lines? Permits and all that yada?
    Nothing. No permit. It won't be possible ever if this passes into law.

    American Service Men and Women with pythons and boas won't be able to return to their home state after being discharged from the military.

    Animals that need specialized veterinary care from a doctor in another state won't be able to get it.

    Families that need to move to a new state in order to get work, care for an ailing family member, or retire, will not be able to.

    College students attending school away won't be able to move back home with their pets.

    Residents living in an area struck by a natural disaster won't be able to evacuate to safety in another state or receive FEMA services that might only be available outside of the disaster area in another state.

    These animals will be in peoples homes for the next 30 years at least ... and the people that own them will be left with absolutely no options. One of their most basic freedoms, the freedom of movement within the United States, will be summarily stripped away from them based on a flawed scientific report written by 2 guys and the political will of 3 US Senators.

    I am extremely distraught for the breeders and their families, employees, etc that will be financially ruined by this ban, but I am even more disgusted at the actions of our government that will so flippantly trample on our American Democracy that has been preserved by the blood of millions of patriots for over 300 years.

    For these reasons, I will give everything I have to this fight. For as long as it takes.

    God Bless Us All,

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    Re: Pythons equal fireworks

    Quote Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki View Post
    Nothing. No permit. It won't be possible ever if this passes into law.

    American Service Men and Women with pythons and boas won't be able to return to their home state after being discharged from the military.

    Animals that need specialized veterinary care from a doctor in another state won't be able to get it.

    Families that need to move to a new state in order to get work, care for an ailing family member, or retire, will not be able to.

    College students attending school away won't be able to move back home with their pets.

    Residents living in an area struck by a natural disaster won't be able to evacuate to safety in another state or receive FEMA services that might only be available outside of the disaster area in another state.

    These animals will be in peoples homes for the next 30 years at least ... and the people that own them will be left with absolutely no options. One of their most basic freedoms, the freedom of movement within the United States, will be summarily stripped away from them based on a flawed scientific report written by 2 guys and the political will of 3 US Senators.

    I am extremely distraught for the breeders and their families, employees, etc that will be financially ruined by this ban, but I am even more disgusted at the actions of our government that will so flippantly trample on our American Democracy that has been preserved by the blood of millions of patriots for over 300 years.

    For these reasons, I will give everything I have to this fight. For as long as it takes.

    God Bless Us All,

    -adam


    Well said, the first line is me in a nutshell.

    It brings to mind a simple quote that really stuck with me:

    The few who look forward, while always knocking on new doors, no matter how futile it may seem or how insignificant their progress, will carry the many who just keep waiting for things to get better.
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