Request opinions or insight, on my "Dinker" project

First pic is a young proven male Het Caramel Albino. Bred back to his mother, produced 3 visual Caramel Albinos, sadly were kinked, so had to euthanize them. But I didn't really breed him for hopes of Caramels, he resembles to me at least, a Lace Black Back or Het Red Axanthic. Second pic, is one of 6 babies, he sired, that all are similar in appearance. I'm no expert in the morphs, only been breeding Pythons for 3 years. The young Het Caramel male's father, was a Yellow Belly, mother a Normal looking Het Caramel...so I know genetics can be tricky at times...Any opinions welcome...a side note, the Het male in the pic, has a perfect Caramel Albino female clutch mate...lol...Thanks.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...2ebda8cd4a.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...2ac58adcd3.jpg

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Originally Posted by Transpecos

First pic is a young proven male Het Caramel Albino. Bred back to his mother, produced 3 visual Caramel Albinos, sadly were kinked, so had to euthanize them. But I didn't really breed him for hopes of Caramels, he resembles to me at least, a Lace Black Back or Het Red Axanthic. Second pic, is one of 6 babies, he sired, that all are similar in appearance. I'm no expert in the morphs, only been breeding Pythons for 3 years. The young Het Caramel male's father, was a Yellow Belly, mother a Normal looking Het Caramel...so I know genetics can be tricky at times...Any opinions welcome...a side note, the Het male in the pic, has a perfect Caramel Albino female clutch mate...lol...Thanks.

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i've seen u post these BP's a few times asking for morph ID or feedback. while i'm not familar w/ these morphs, these are my thoughts...

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he looks like a visual Caramel Albino lol. doesn't look Lace Black Back at all to me. the colors are all caramel to me. what colors are his eyes? are u sure the YB father wasn't also het?

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what does the belly look like on this one? i think it's just a beautiful, dark and super reduced Het Caramel Albino. can't be HRA either - their patterns are similar to Cinny. cannot be Lace Black back as it doesn't resemble it pattern wise and doesn't have the whites coming up from the belly.

both HRA and Lace Black Back being co-dom gene's, i think the parents would have resembled those morphs in some way. could u post the parents of the 1st one also? do they look like a standard YB and Normal?

First pic, YB male father of the Het, second pic, Het Caramel female, mother to young Het male and the hatchling pictured. Lastly, a clutch mate to the Het male, believe it or not. The original female, was sold to me as a 50% possible Het Caramel Albino. She's produced visuals in both clutches, bred to the YB, and back to her son...Guy bought them from, bred same pair, got all Normals...go figure...so any guess you might have, is better than mine, I'm sure...Belly pic is of young Het male, didn't cooperate real well...When bred YB male to Normal, got YB and Normals..When bred YB male x YB female, got YB and Ivory...so I don't know...lol...Thanks for any input...https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...b981edde5c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...1503a28fcf.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c7274b2705.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...57db4b6b39.jpg

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wow, u take really bad pictures Lol. the only other peeps who take such low quality pix like these is me and Skyrivers hahaha.

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ok there's def something going on here. i think the mom and her het son are either visual Caramel Albino het Ghost/Hypo or Ghost/Hypo het Caramel Albino. i can't tell b/c of the quality of the pix but they are not Normal's.

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i think that's a Caramel Glow aka Caramel Albino Ghost. it's a visual double-recessive and would make sense if u got that from pairing the mom and son.

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yep, that clear belly likely means that boy is Het. now to see if he's Het Caramel Albino or Het Ghost/Hypo or Double Het Caramel Albino and Ghost/Hypo.


Edit: what interesting animals u stumbled into. congrats!

Thanks for your time and input...so you can see how confusing this is to a novice, that's old and has bad eyesight...lol...Took pics with flash on, might be better without...But nearly all the hatchlings, from Het son and mother, have clear bellies, and since had 3 visual Caramel Albino, (kinked), I was guessing the remaining babies were 66% possible Het Caramel Albino...The visual pictured, is a clutch mate to the Het male...no way I should have got it, wouldn't think...and do have some from that original clutch, that are Hypo/Ghost looking like the original Het Caramel female...It's confusing, but I do really enjoy these things...Thanks again and maybe one day, I can get a handle on this project...lol

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On a final note on these "Dinkers", I know pics aren't great. But in person their patterning, alien heads etc...look "green" for most part...Have reddish brown blushing on head and along the spine. Of the original pairing, Yellow Belly male x Het Caramel Albino female, no 2 hatchlings looked alike, had a YB, a visual Caramel Albino, a couple like the Het male "Hypo" looking, and a couple that are really dark, from pics I've seen, resemble Gravel...But I'm no expert...and had a pair of twins, that died in the egg, 2 weeks before hatching, I swear looked like Spiders...lol. Guy bought them from, wasn't the most honest guy, and probably wouldn't tell me exactly what they were...But I have no complaints, they bring me pleasure, as I love genetics and raising things, always have...Just so many morphs and variations, can be really confusing...Thanks...a final pic, litter mate to Het male, looks "Hypo", like the original female..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...2c15197666.jpg

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