Carmel/carmel albino

I have a carmel albino, and I think it is one of the prettiest morphs out there. I was wondering what the difference is between a carmel and a carmel albino. As far as I know, you can’t breed a carmel to an albino to get a carmel albino. Are they just 2 separate genes? Are they allelic?

They are the same thing people just dropped the Albino after the CARAMEL over the years, just like they have with other mutations over the years.

Thank you. I have seen animals listed as “carmel” and it confused me. Actually, it doesn’t take a whole lot to do that!

I produced a few caramels years ago and was surprised by how pretty they were. Last I heard though the females had issues producing good eggs.

Caramel females do have the reputaion for producing kinked babies. I think most people working with the morph try and stick to het to het pairings for that reason.

It's worth pointing out that the ultramel morph produces similar looking snakes without the possibility of kinking as far as I am aware, sadly not an allelic gene, But something to think about in the future.

The way I remember the lore (didn't put it to the test personally) was that caramel albino (i.e. homozygous/visual) females produce slugs and that any caramel (necessarily from het females) had a good chance of being kinked. I think I produced 2.1 caramels in a single clutch from unrelated outbred parents once and remember at least one had a curly tail. There were breeders who claimed they never produced the kink backed animals and they generally chalked it up to outbreeding but I always wondered if it might have to do with nutrition or temperature as an accidental work around the tendency of the caramel mutation to cause kinking. Suppose maybe not as many working with them now that Ultramel and so many other awesome morphs are available. I still have a big het caramel female and always thought a chocolate caramel would be nice but can't get too excited about the work to produce one.