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  • 04-13-2021, 11:23 AM
    EL-Ziggy
    Something seems off
    My 2014 coastal hasnít eaten since December, which doesnít concern me because he takes food breaks every winter. He had a bad shed on March 23rd even though his temps and humidity are spot on. That was his first bad shed ever and somewhat concerning to me but I thought maybe he was a little dehydrated from not eating. Now it appears that heís prepping to shed again. His underbelly is milky and his scales are getting darker. Iíve heard of back to back sheds but never experienced it with any of my snakes. Should I let this shed play out and go from there? Should I do a complete substrate change? I did recently move all my snakes from Reptile Prime to Reptichip. Could that have anything to do with it? Iíd appreciate any thoughts or suggestions.
  • 04-13-2021, 11:44 AM
    Bogertophis
    Since this is posted in 'general herp' & just to be clear for everyone, you're talking about your coastal carpet python, right?

    Honestly, I'd recommend getting a fresh stool sample checked by your vet as soon as he cooperates & makes some "available". It suggests to me also that something is going on- possibly* parasites because they do cause dehydration, and a snake's body tends to react to any sort of issue by trying to repair the damage via the shedding process. I personally doubt that it's due to your substrate unless there's some sort of contaminant that shouldn't be in it at all- and since both are main-stream products, I think that's unlikely. *And it might be some other health issue brewing as well, but a stool sample is a good place to start, IMO.
  • 04-13-2021, 12:13 PM
    WrongPython
    Re: Something seems off
    Sorry to hear that your carpet isn't feeling well, El-Ziggy.

    A stool sample/parasite check isn't a bad idea, particularly if you can pick your vet's brain while y'all are arranging things over the phone. A quick nido test via Fishhead to rule that out wouldn't be a bad idea either. It's fairly cheap, not particularly invasive, and you could do the test yourself at home. I'd also do a quick check for any new lumps or bumps. Cancer is always at the back of my mind, and it could potentially strike at any time...

    Good luck! Hopefully it's nothing major.

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  • 04-13-2021, 01:40 PM
    jmcrook
    I'd doubt it's anything to do with parasites or substrate. Any other symptoms of unwellness such as wheezing or mucus? Nido test that WrongPython suggested isn't a bad idea, but the little bit I've looked into it it seems to manifest as slight RI symptoms if I'm not mistaken, which I very well could be. Hopefully it's nothing! Good luck sorting things out, Ziggy!
  • 04-13-2021, 01:47 PM
    bcr229
    When one of my boas started back-to-back sheds and he went off food, it turned out he had an internal infection caused by a scratch on the inside of his throat, most likely from a feeder. The rapid-fire shedding was his body's response to fight off the infection.

    Is your carpet python as active as he typically is, or has he gotten lethargic?
  • 04-13-2021, 01:50 PM
    Bogertophis
    I'd agree that it could totally be nothing wrong at all. I've not dealt with nido but what I've read parallels what jmcrook said- it's typically RI symptoms (or even asymptomatic). But El-Ziggy, you hit me as being a very attentive snake keeper, & sometimes it's just our gut that warns us that something isn't right, as in your choice of thread title- so while I HOPE it's nothing, it probably does bear some looking into.
  • 04-13-2021, 04:00 PM
    EL-Ziggy
    Re: Something seems off
    Thanks all. I called a local exotic vet and she recommended that I try giving him a soak and double check his humidity which is currently at 50%. She said it doesn’t seem urgent and that I could bring him in next week or after he sheds. There’s no mucus or wheezing. He has been less active but I figured it was he’s prepping to shed again. I took out a small feeder and I’m going to see if he’ll eat. I’m thinking he’s dehydrated even though he has fresh water. If he doesn’t eat and have a clean shed I’ll take him to the vet next week.
  • 04-13-2021, 04:25 PM
    Bogertophis
    Re: Something seems off
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by EL-Ziggy View Post
    Thanks all. I called a local exotic vet and she recommended that I try giving him a soak and double check his humidity which is currently at 50%. She said it doesnít seem urgent and that I could bring him in next week or after he sheds. Thereís no mucus or wheezing. He has been less active but I figured it was heís prepping to shed again. I took out a small feeder and Iím going to see if heíll eat. Iím thinking heís dehydrated even though he has fresh water. If he doesnít eat and have a clean shed Iíll take him to the vet next week.

    That sounds like a good plan- not really 'urgent' & you might find he seems quite himself again after his shed, so maybe it won't even be necessary...at least that's my hope. I feel a bit sorry for vets trying to figure out our stoic snakes, don't you? ;) But like the example bcr229 gave, you never know.
  • 04-13-2021, 05:08 PM
    Caitlin
    I'm glad you're monitoring your animals so carefully - I am a big believer in trusting that little flicker of an impression that something just isn't right. Here's hoping the "not right" part is very minor and easily resolved with time, hydration, and a good shed.

    If you do opt to take him to your vet, please be sure that she knows that carpets are a bit prone to cancers so that she can take X-rays, etc. if it seems warranted. I'm going to hope and assume it's nothing like this, but not all vets are aware of that detail so it wouldn't hurt to let her know.
  • 04-13-2021, 06:52 PM
    EL-Ziggy
    Re: Something seems off
    He refused a small rat but so did my only other carpet (jj x jcp) whoís still winter fasting. Iím gonna give him a soak later and see how this shed plays out. Thanks again everyone. 🙏🏾

    🔥MM4L🔥
  • 04-13-2021, 07:04 PM
    Bogertophis
    Re: Something seems off
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by EL-Ziggy View Post
    He refused a small rat but so did my only other carpet (jj x jcp) whoís still winter fasting. Iím gonna give him a soak later and see how this shed plays out. Thanks again everyone. 🙏🏾

    🔥MM4L🔥

    Besides that, you already noted that it appears he's going into a shed again. In my experience, snakes don't have to be fully clouded up, or even show any sign of shed at all to refuse food due to an upcoming shed cycle- they seem to know before we can see any signs, so I'd not be too discouraged- just wait & see. ;) I hope he enjoys his "spa day".
  • 04-20-2021, 05:39 PM
    EL-Ziggy
    Re: Something seems off
    Hey yíall, Chomper had a beautiful shed today and looks amazing! Iíll snap a picture later. I bumped up his temps to 90-92, stopped his nighttime temperature drops, soaked him once, and misted his cage a couple of times. I still think he was a little dehydrated from not eating for so long, even though he always has fresh water, but in any event I was sooo happy when I came home and saw he had shed cleanly. He was rubbing his nose when I left this morning so I had my fingers crossed. Iím still gonna keep an eye on him and Iím hoping heíll eat this week. If he goes into another quick shed, or has any other issues, Iíll get him straight to the vet. Thanks for the concern and well wishes team!

    🔥MM4L🔥
  • 04-20-2021, 05:53 PM
    Bogertophis
    :sweeet: That's great! I'll bet his appetite follows soon too.
  • 04-20-2021, 06:12 PM
    Caitlin
    Thank you for the great update - he'd been on my mind. I'm really glad that it sounds like he is bouncing back from his blah phase.
  • 04-20-2021, 11:43 PM
    jmcrook
    Something seems off
    Great news, Ziggy! Hoping for a hungry critter soon for you. Weirdly my Royal Python went on a fast this winter for the first time in a while and is also in his most rapid second shed interval in years. Looks no worse for the wear though. Just an odd animal sometimes


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