Het Pied "Markers"--Fact or Fiction?

[Seneschal]

So! I'm curious. How many of you have proven out possible het pieds that have pied markers? Have you proven possible het pieds with the markers to be NOT hets? Answer the poll, and then post below saying what you said, why, and your examples. Thanks!

[starmom]

You forgot the poll!
Now I see it!!!

[ctrlfreq]

Every time I've ever heard anyone talk about the het pied marker, it comes with a subscript that it is in no way a definite indicator. Our pair of 100% het pieds both display the marker, but I wouldn't have accepted that alone as proof they were hets.

[Stewart_Reptiles]

Not 100% conclusive, some have them some don’t.

And I also have a normal female with the same belly marker!

Bottom line the only marker for me is the guaranty of a reputable breeder!

[Austin Smith]

If 100 % of het pieds had markers wouldn't that make them not hets at all? Wouldn't piebald become a co-dominant trait?

...Just a thought.

[SatanicIntention]

My Het Pied CJ male has the markers as well as a bit of a ringer, but so does an 04 adult female I've raised from a baby that I know isn't a het.

If I am looking at possible hets, then I generally pick the snake that looks wonky or has the markers. If I'm buying from a reputable breeder, then I don't worry if the snake has markers or not.

[rabernet]

I know Justin Kobylka believes in markers now!

But that said - my het pied does not have the marker.

[Monty]

my poss het hypo het pied have the markers and so does my normal female. but my normal female may have come from a het pied normal clutch im not hoping for anything from her though.

[Inferno]

ive seen it in normals and 100% het pieds so it isnt conclusive... personaly if i dealt in possible hets i would buy a possible het with the marker over one that didnt have it....but if i did deal in possible hets then i would buy all the females anyway.

[jkobylka]

I know Justin Kobylka believes in markers now!

But that said - my het pied does not have the marker.

You took the words right out of my mouth. My experience as been this...

When I hatched out my once-in-a-lifetime surprise pied clutch last year, both both dame and sire had STRONG het pied markers.

This year I hatched out approximately 30 50% possible het pieds, males and females. About 1/2 of them had makers.

I don't see these two bits as coincidences... Plus I'm not going to name drop, but the people who would know more than any one, place a tremendous amount of significance on the markers. On a side note, there is more to markers than just the belly. and for the record I wish there were no pied markers.... seriously...

I will agree with the above posters who say its not a 100% indicator. I'll be hatching out at least 4-5 clutches of 100% het pieds this year and I'll post how many have the marker... That's information I've wanted for a while.

Justin