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    Guess i can give my first update on my normal gal. Shes actually doing better after 4 days no 180 turnaround but she doesn't seem to be getting worse I think if you catch it real real early theres a better chance of this method working. I also ordered my supplies from Brian at BHB and he got it to me in less than a week Good stuff ill let you know how she is in a week of treatments or at that point decide to take her to the doctor. I treat her 40min on full power on the fogger in the morning and sometimes a short 15 min at night. Also keep her quarantine tub hospital clean with big apples disinfectant.
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    Re: Healing Upper Respiratory Infection With F10 Nebulization?

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    Hi ,

    Can i just ask a question, this Is the first time ive encountered an RI with a beardie and my local vet gave baytril oraly for 10 days 6 weeks ago and again for another 10 days 2 weeks ago which still hasnt touched it

    So im seeing specialist next week 100 miles away could someone tell me what the likely treatment would be for example

    1 injection?
    Different oral med?

    Baring in mind i cant travel 100 miles everyday back and forth

    Thanks i know it is slightly off topic but help would be appreciated
    I have never seen RI in a beardie. I have seen lots of rescue snakes with ri. Oral treatment should be fine. The thing I question is 10 days. Reptiles have slow metabolisms and it usually takes 10 days to start working. I would expect to see 30 days in a snake anyway. Also my vet very very rarely uses baytril anymore as many bacteria are resistant to it and it is only gram negative bacteria. Did the vet do a culture? This is the best way to resolve the best drug to use. Sadly they typically are not as useful after a round on antibiotics.

    You might PM skiploader and seek his insight.
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    Re: Healing Upper Respiratory Infection With F10 Nebulization?

    oskyle, I'm glad your baby is doing better. I know how stressful it can be to have a snake with an RI. Yay for small steps for the better!

    How often do you sterilize the quarantine tub? And could you send me a link to the big apples disinfectant you are referring to? I want to keep some stuff around so I don't have to wait on a shipment if a RI case pops up suddenly.

    Quote Originally Posted by kitedemon View Post
    There are a lot of different versions only two could get confused for Nebulization the f10 sc and the f10 sc xd the xd would be very bad in the lungs.

    That's a really good point. I'm checking out the xd, and I guess that's because it has detergent in it as well. just to reiterate for anyone looking to try this treatment, nebulize with F10 SC.

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    Re: Healing Upper Respiratory Infection With F10 Nebulization?

    Quote Originally Posted by kitedemon View Post
    I have never seen RI in a beardie. I have seen lots of rescue snakes with ri. Oral treatment should be fine. The thing I question is 10 days. Reptiles have slow metabolisms and it usually takes 10 days to start working. I would expect to see 30 days in a snake anyway. Also my vet very very rarely uses baytril anymore as many bacteria are resistant to it and it is only gram negative bacteria. Did the vet do a culture? This is the best way to resolve the best drug to use. Sadly they typically are not as useful after a round on antibiotics.

    You might PM skiploader and seek his insight.
    Hi heading to specialist next wednesday only time i could get because i live so far away, did my vet do a culture? No as she said she would rather leave it to specialist because baytril never worked, it helped clear the mucus but failed to rid of his cough!

    Just wondered if injection was the prefered method from reptile vet?

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    Re: Healing Upper Respiratory Infection With F10 Nebulization?

    Day 3 with F10 and Nebuliser

    My beardie is showing more interest with food after eating locust yesterday but yet to eat today definatly more interested though
    and also he has just basked properly for the first time in 8 weeks with mouth wide open enjoying the bask, since he fell ill 8 weeks ago and during his 2 baytril treatments he has failed to do this

    So day 3 with F10 further improvement where baytril failed

    long may it continue

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    Re: Healing Upper Respiratory Infection With F10 Nebulization?

    Day 4 nebuliser

    Still very bright bearded dragon he also attempted to eat a couple of adult locusts but missed even though i held them lol

    Day 5 10:30 am Before nebulising

    He ate 2 adult locusts 1 after the other so if anything the nebuliser is either holding his condition back and making him hungry or he is actualy on the mend bare in mind he hadnt touched food in a long time until day 3 of neb and he also hasnt hidden in tank since i started this i think the infection is still lingering and maybe feel the neb with F10 helps but doesnt cure
    Ive 2 more days before the vet

    He was seriously down hill before i started this black beard every day but since he had first neb he hasnt had black beard once
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    Re: Healing Upper Respiratory Infection With F10 Nebulization?

    Well, good thing you're taking him to the vet. The RI might be really well entrenched in his system by now.

    But, yay for him eating! That's a small triumph, that's for sure.

    Oh, and what is "black beard?" argh, matey!
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    That is great news. You might ask your vet about feeding 'critical care' I have been feeding it to my rescue beardie (periodontal disease). It is awesome he was not eating becoming lethargic and the CC got food back in his system. It is an amazing product.

    I am sure F10 is helping there is too much evidence to deny it does but I would never suggest just F10 and no vet. Just for others reading.

    Needles are a hard case. They get the correct dose directly into the muscles. The problem is you add a great deal of stress. Remember reptiles suffer with stress a lot. The concern is the added stress counters the benefit of the meds.

    The F10 system is great I love working with it. I just remove as much solids as I can rinse a few times with water spray a heavy does of the (f10sc)XD and scrub with a brush rinse well and then saturate with the f10sc and wait 20 min and dry it out. I don't do this with enclosures as rinsing is very hard (unless they fit in the sink...) I replace the XD with a steamer and sponge with some f10 hand soap. (we use the f10 hand soap for us before and after handling Qs)

    Just to be clear you are very very unlikely to sterilize anything at home sanitize yes disinfect yes. Sterile is NO bacteria virus or fungi. About the only way to sterilize at home is to boil things for 15-30 min rolling the whole time (still not 100% effective pressure is needed). You are not doing home surgery so it is not needed. I know that is not what you intended but if you look for chemical sterilants they are all very toxic for everything (you animals) and should NEVER be used at home. Just for clarity.

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    Oh critical care...
    http://www.oxbowanimalhealth.com/pro...il?object=1631

    http://www.oxbowanimalhealth.com/pro...il?object=1609

    We have been mixing it 3:1 regular fine and carnivore they need to be purchased from the vet but so far it is great. Our guy has gained 38gm in the last 2 weeks. He has become much perkier in the last 7 days too. Still not eating anything on his own so I give that improvement to the critical care.

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