Can you visually tell apart a pewter and a black pewter?

[hungba]

Pewters all look the same to me. Can anyone enlighten me how to tell the difference between a Cinnamon X Pastel and a Black Pastel X Pastel, WITHOUT knowing the parents?

I'm learning, and if this is a rudimentary question, sorry. I still suck at identifying morphs, especially then they are babies and they are often very bright. I can't even tell a firefly apart from a super pastel...

[Royal Hijinx]

The alien heads for one. Also, it seems Black Pewters can be a bit, well, more black.

Here is mine. Look at her pattern. That is not a Cinni pattern.



My Vanilla Pewter has more of a classic Cinni pattern. Her color is affected by the Vanilla gene, so the pattern is used here to differentiate the Cinni.



Here is a shot of them together:

[hungba]

The patterning is different in that the black pewter has those blotches along the back? Or is it the dark splotches within the "rings"? And both of them have those rings along the sides, those are called alien heads right? So both have alien heads?

[The Serpent Merchant]

Almost all BP's have alien heads...

This is a normal:



Black Pastels and Cinnamons have funked up alien heads

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/black-pastel/

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/cinnamon/

The biggest difference between a black pewter and a pewter is the base color. black pewters as the name suggests are more black

Pewter:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...pewter/013.jpg

Black Pewter:

http://www.worldofballpythons.com/fi...pewter/002.jpg

[hungba]

Thanks for the information people!

So basically the black pewters are darker. Don't you have variations in shades of lightness/darkness of individuals? What about a really dark cinny pewter? And what about the patterning differences described above?

Maybe best thing is I take a pic of my pewter and ask, but then again that's like giving me a fish and not teaching me how to fish

[The Serpent Merchant]

I'm not the most knowledgable on differentiating the patterns so check out these links... hope they help.

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...3-Black-Pastel

http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showt...44629-Cinnamon

[aalomon]

The thing that stands out most to me is that black pastels seems to have a very granitey look to their alien heads. Cinny pewters patterns are a lot smoother.

[Mike41793]

IMHO cinnies are very different looking than black pastels. So to me the pewters look different. Pewters tend to be more yellowish while black pewters tend to be more silverish.

[hungba]

With regards to the "granite" look of the rings (alien head with one eye) of the black pastel, I looked at the morph guide just now and seems like the BHB line and Graziani line Cinnamons have clear rings, the black pastel has granite looking rings. But the Ralph Davis line of Cinnamons are also like the black pastels in that they have the "noise" in the rings. Gave me a lot better understanding to translate into pewters. However, how do you tell difference between black pastel and Ralph Davis line of Cinnamons? They are mentioned as being very similar with the same noise in the rings.

[Royal Hijinx]

With regards to the "granite" look of the rings (alien head with one eye) of the black pastel, I looked at the morph guide just now and seems like the BHB line and Graziani line Cinnamons have clear rings, the black pastel has granite looking rings. But the Ralph Davis line of Cinnamons are also like the black pastels in that they have the "noise" in the rings. Gave me a lot better understanding to translate into pewters. However, how do you tell difference between black pastel and Ralph Davis line of Cinnamons? They are mentioned as being very similar with the same noise in the rings.

Then overall color would be up next.